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Undocumented now on City Council
Topic Started: Aug 4 2015, 05:59 AM (271 Views)
corky

jcapps,
You're seeing two problems intertwined, low wages on the bottom and the undocumented taking jobs while in a status with no protection of the law to prevent exploitation and no reason to participate in society.

How many contractor you know using undocumented labor, I know lots of them. Why do low skill jobs pay so low, more labor than jobs.

Open eight million jobs tomorrow and minimum wage won't even be a question.


Corky
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jcapps

corky
Aug 4 2015, 11:08 AM
jcapps,
You're seeing two problems intertwined, low wages on the bottom and the undocumented taking jobs while in a status with no protection of the law to prevent exploitation and no reason to participate in society.

How many contractor you know using undocumented labor, I know lots of them. Why do low skill jobs pay so low, more labor than jobs.

Open eight million jobs tomorrow and minimum wage won't even be a question.


Corky
The problem is bigger then this. All of my crew are busy on side jobs. All getting paid cash under the table as the homeowners do not want to pay a licensed and insured companies rates

So its not just the illegals causing issues, or the contractors, its the homeowners that ultimately cause the issue
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corky

jcapps,
What are the homeowners???

The homeowners are the ultimate employers, the ones at the top who set the rules and prices. Bad money drives out good money all the way up and down the chain when it is allowed by society to come into the system.

When people ignore traffic rules and signs, traffic becomes chaotic, and all the police won't bring it back to order, until citizens decide to obey the rules.

Corky
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jcapps

Never going to happen Corky, cat is out of the bag
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corky

jcapps,
Lhasa fever, Marburg fever, Ebola, god knows what, same as the Black death did for Europe in the middle ages. Maybe the climate change, will do it.

Corky
Edited by corky, Aug 4 2015, 11:54 AM.
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Mountainrivers

jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:55 AM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 10:45 AM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:30 AM
No Neal, get an education. McDonalds was never to be a career
Do you think that the only people making minimum wage are working at McDonald's?
Come on Neal, why do you play games. No they work at many menial jobs, like markets, fast food, restaurants, factories

They have to start somewhere. I worked in a factory at 16. I could have stayed there and had no ambition in life. But I wanted to earn more. And to earn more I hard to work harder and apply myself.

These folks want to make the big bucks without any effort. They do not want to advance, they do not want to put an ounce o0f effort into it

They just want to make more money and be lazy
Well, that is your story anyway. Since you don't know any of the people I know who don't fit that description, I doubt you have a real grip on reality.
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Mountainrivers

jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:57 AM
corky
Aug 4 2015, 10:51 AM
All goes back to why the undocumented are here, remove the attraction and they will not come.

All these "good" citizens who cheapout and save a few bucks hiring illegal labor, the cause of the problem.

Corky
But now its too late, instead of fixing the issue, they gave them $15 an hour to grill a burger or take the trash out or wash a glass

Funny Neal complains he has no money but if HIS state did this, you would see how fast he would change his tune when it hit him in the pocket
No, we had a referendum last year to raise the minimum wage and it passed, but the legislature refused to address it.
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Mountainrivers

jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 11:11 AM
corky
Aug 4 2015, 11:08 AM
jcapps,
You're seeing two problems intertwined, low wages on the bottom and the undocumented taking jobs while in a status with no protection of the law to prevent exploitation and no reason to participate in society.

How many contractor you know using undocumented labor, I know lots of them. Why do low skill jobs pay so low, more labor than jobs.

Open eight million jobs tomorrow and minimum wage won't even be a question.


Corky
The problem is bigger then this. All of my crew are busy on side jobs. All getting paid cash under the table as the homeowners do not want to pay a licensed and insured companies rates

So its not just the illegals causing issues, or the contractors, its the homeowners that ultimately cause the issue
Why isn't the low life subs you say are working under the table rather than the homeowners who couldn't pay under the table unless the contractors agreed to do it?
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corky

MR,
It takes two to break the law in the economic arena, a willing buy and a willing seller, both willing to break the law and help each other minimize the risk of getting caught.

Once you have major pollution of the market, bad money overwhelms good money.


Corky
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jcapps

Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 12:36 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 11:11 AM
corky
Aug 4 2015, 11:08 AM
jcapps,
You're seeing two problems intertwined, low wages on the bottom and the undocumented taking jobs while in a status with no protection of the law to prevent exploitation and no reason to participate in society.

How many contractor you know using undocumented labor, I know lots of them. Why do low skill jobs pay so low, more labor than jobs.

Open eight million jobs tomorrow and minimum wage won't even be a question.


Corky
The problem is bigger then this. All of my crew are busy on side jobs. All getting paid cash under the table as the homeowners do not want to pay a licensed and insured companies rates

So its not just the illegals causing issues, or the contractors, its the homeowners that ultimately cause the issue
Why isn't the low life subs you say are working under the table rather than the homeowners who couldn't pay under the table unless the contractors agreed to do it?
They are not subs, they are former employees. Its the cheap homeowners pursuing them
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jcapps

Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 12:33 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:55 AM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 10:45 AM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:30 AM
No Neal, get an education. McDonalds was never to be a career
Do you think that the only people making minimum wage are working at McDonald's?
Come on Neal, why do you play games. No they work at many menial jobs, like markets, fast food, restaurants, factories

They have to start somewhere. I worked in a factory at 16. I could have stayed there and had no ambition in life. But I wanted to earn more. And to earn more I hard to work harder and apply myself.

These folks want to make the big bucks without any effort. They do not want to advance, they do not want to put an ounce o0f effort into it

They just want to make more money and be lazy
Well, that is your story anyway. Since you don't know any of the people I know who don't fit that description, I doubt you have a real grip on reality.
Of course you do not know them, but you are ready to speak for them.

I do not have a grip on reality? I own 2 businesses what do YOU do
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Mountainrivers

jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 12:52 PM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 12:33 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:55 AM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 10:45 AM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:30 AM
No Neal, get an education. McDonalds was never to be a career
Do you think that the only people making minimum wage are working at McDonald's?
Come on Neal, why do you play games. No they work at many menial jobs, like markets, fast food, restaurants, factories

They have to start somewhere. I worked in a factory at 16. I could have stayed there and had no ambition in life. But I wanted to earn more. And to earn more I hard to work harder and apply myself.

These folks want to make the big bucks without any effort. They do not want to advance, they do not want to put an ounce o0f effort into it

They just want to make more money and be lazy
Well, that is your story anyway. Since you don't know any of the people I know who don't fit that description, I doubt you have a real grip on reality.
Of course you do not know them, but you are ready to speak for them.

I do not have a grip on reality? I own 2 businesses what do YOU do
I absolutely know them. I went to a party just 3 days ago with most of those people. They work hard at jobs that aren't McDonalds. We don't have one here. They work at the local diner, the gas station, the grocery store, they paint houses, stripe the streets, clear the snow, carry away the garbage, work at Subway, and all the other menial jobs, because that's all that's available here.
What I do is I'm retired and have been since 2001. I owned and operated a business for 27 years along with my wife. So, I don't think you can talk so high and mighty to me as if I don't what I'm talking about.
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jcapps

Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 04:03 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 12:52 PM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 12:33 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:55 AM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 10:45 AM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:30 AM
No Neal, get an education. McDonalds was never to be a career
Do you think that the only people making minimum wage are working at McDonald's?
Come on Neal, why do you play games. No they work at many menial jobs, like markets, fast food, restaurants, factories

They have to start somewhere. I worked in a factory at 16. I could have stayed there and had no ambition in life. But I wanted to earn more. And to earn more I hard to work harder and apply myself.

These folks want to make the big bucks without any effort. They do not want to advance, they do not want to put an ounce o0f effort into it

They just want to make more money and be lazy
Well, that is your story anyway. Since you don't know any of the people I know who don't fit that description, I doubt you have a real grip on reality.
Of course you do not know them, but you are ready to speak for them.

I do not have a grip on reality? I own 2 businesses what do YOU do
I absolutely know them. I went to a party just 3 days ago with most of those people. They work hard at jobs that aren't McDonalds. We don't have one here. They work at the local diner, the gas station, the grocery store, they paint houses, stripe the streets, clear the snow, carry away the garbage, work at Subway, and all the other menial jobs, because that's all that's available here.
What I do is I'm retired and have been since 2001. I owned and operated a business for 27 years along with my wife. So, I don't think you can talk so high and mighty to me as if I don't what I'm talking about.
"They work at the local diner, the gas station, the grocery store, they paint houses, stripe the streets, clear the snow, carry away the garbage, work at Subway, and all the other menial jobs, because that's all that's available here."

There you just said it all
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Mountainrivers

jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 04:18 PM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 04:03 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 12:52 PM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 12:33 PM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:55 AM
Mountainrivers
Aug 4 2015, 10:45 AM
jcapps
Aug 4 2015, 10:30 AM
No Neal, get an education. McDonalds was never to be a career
Do you think that the only people making minimum wage are working at McDonald's?
Come on Neal, why do you play games. No they work at many menial jobs, like markets, fast food, restaurants, factories

They have to start somewhere. I worked in a factory at 16. I could have stayed there and had no ambition in life. But I wanted to earn more. And to earn more I hard to work harder and apply myself.

These folks want to make the big bucks without any effort. They do not want to advance, they do not want to put an ounce o0f effort into it

They just want to make more money and be lazy
Well, that is your story anyway. Since you don't know any of the people I know who don't fit that description, I doubt you have a real grip on reality.
Of course you do not know them, but you are ready to speak for them.

I do not have a grip on reality? I own 2 businesses what do YOU do
I absolutely know them. I went to a party just 3 days ago with most of those people. They work hard at jobs that aren't McDonalds. We don't have one here. They work at the local diner, the gas station, the grocery store, they paint houses, stripe the streets, clear the snow, carry away the garbage, work at Subway, and all the other menial jobs, because that's all that's available here.
What I do is I'm retired and have been since 2001. I owned and operated a business for 27 years along with my wife. So, I don't think you can talk so high and mighty to me as if I don't what I'm talking about.
"They work at the local diner, the gas station, the grocery store, they paint houses, stripe the streets, clear the snow, carry away the garbage, work at Subway, and all the other menial jobs, because that's all that's available here."

There you just said it all
Yes, I did. What's wrong with that? Those people are doing necessary jobs, maybe even more necessary that what you do. Why do you think they should not be paid a living wage?
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jcapps

Maybe they need to move to a bigger city. Garbage men here make 65k a year+

Subway = will always be a minimum wage job
Painters here make 20+ hr
Grocery store here make 12+ but should be minimum wage
Local diner - waitress and busboy work for tips, back house, cooks make good money but should the guy washing the dishes make more then minimum
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