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Why Export and Why Import?; Questioning basic ideas
Topic Started: Aug 8 2015, 04:11 PM (320 Views)
corky

North America can be by and large self-contained, why all the emphasis on export and increasing them. I think this idea of expanding here using American labor and making life here better should be part of the next Presidential election.


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Brewster
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Biggest problem we face in Canada is food in winter.

These days most of our fresh fruits and vegetables Nov-March come from Chile.
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With California drying up, we may have to go elsewhere for fruits and Veggies?
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corky

Thumper.
Improve the infrastructure and California won't dry up. We could even grow plenty for North American needs right now, but cost for exports will go through the roof and the Chinese will not be happy.

Brew,
How did you survive as a kid? How much fuel gets wasted getting the luxuries up here? How much should the U.S. spend so Canadians can have fresh winter goodies?

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When I was a kid, fresh fruit in the winter was almost unheard of, except maybe Christmas, etc.

What we got was usually poor quality, highly expensive, and from California.

Except Japanese Oranges, available only for about 2 weeks just before Xmas... They were extremely high quality and insanely expensive - my mother bought one box, to be shared by 3 families.

Eastern Canadians got some stuff from Florida.
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The cost of shipping from California has GOT to be cheaper than from Chile, but that was never the big issue - it was, and is, Quality.

We still get a few things from California, and they are uniformly poor. It seems that the good stuff is kept at home.

We'd need some sort of contract...
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corky

Brew,
California has the same winter as you, just lighter. Our winter fruit and veg industry was wiped out in the mid 70's due to the imports you are talking about, and all the work that had been going in to winter groves, orchards and plant breeding was written off. The temporarily safe trading world ended the development of a year around supply from California.

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Certainly Canada the US & Mexico together could be totally self sufficient. It would take an EU type union, which brings up issues especially with Mexico, as that would involve freedom of movement & employment across all 3 borders. A common currency might be a good thing in the long run, a lot is lost with exchanges. Biggest issue in Canada is lax US firearm laws. However if China does become dominant world & economic power as i think is inevitable, North America is going to have to do something collectively to face that.
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corky

Paul,
I think we are already starting to see China fall to the demographic trap already. One child policy is paying off for us, not them.


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Mountainrivers

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Aug 9 2015, 01:48 PM
Paul,
I think we are already starting to see China fall to the demographic trap already. One child policy is paying off for us, not them.


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Exactly, and that's why we need trade. Growth is required in a capitalistic economy. The growth within a nation is miniscule compared to world growth. Too many people wanting to make too much money.
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corky

MR,
Unlimited growth in a closed system with a aging population?
You need to study some demographic charts.

Best thing for the U.S. to dropout, tune in and turn on our own growth. How much should we spend making the world safe for the capitalists that don't return the profits to our citizens?

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Mountainrivers

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Aug 10 2015, 06:02 AM
MR,
Unlimited growth in a closed system with a aging population?
You need to study some demographic charts.

Best thing for the U.S. to dropout, tune in and turn on our own growth. How much should we spend making the world safe for the capitalists that don't return the profits to our citizens?

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I would say you would have no growth in a closed system with an aging population. Growth requires more consumers, which is why China is having a problem. The one child policy has caused that. Agree we should decapitate the capitalists who don't share the profits.
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Jackd

It would take quite of an economic mega tsunami and a massive political hurricane for the U.S. to become self sufficient.....
Looking at the past 50 years, the U.S. has constantly sustained a negative trade balance.
It may sound unbelievable, but in recent years, the biggest trade deficits were recorded with China, Japan, Germany, none of which is an oil supplier.
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corky

Jack,
All of the deficient is a product of the Breton Woods based trade deals and pacts, which opened our markets with us providing worldwide security for free and uneven trading fields against our labor.

We simply stop providing security, quit WTO for a start, then start putting tariffs slowly, watch the jobs flock home to North America. NAFTA is the only thing we should keep in place, works to all our advantage.

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Jackd

remember that the Bretton Woods agreement was initially to insure the U.S. could deal with +/- 40 other countries and take advantages of its massive post-war manufacturing capacity.
Without the Bretton Woods agreement, the U.S. would have never been able to achieve the massive exports success they did in the following 50 years.

By isolating your economy you'd lose the ability to compete with the world and soon later, there will also be a lack of competition inside your bordrers. Eventually, isolated economy does not have as much room for growth due to lack of outside supply and lack of competition.
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