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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 15 2018, 05:28 AM (105 Views) | |
| The Honorable Aav Verinhall | Jun 15 2018, 05:28 AM Post #1 |
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Article One Defining political office as either a) An elected position or b) A seat on the Imperial Council or c) A Deputy Councillorship Article Two No personage who carries the burden of a political office may hold another political office. Any official who does shall be stripped of both offices, and banned from holding office for eight weeks, or a term, whichever is longer. Apologies for the formatting, I'm on mobile, and can't be bothered to deal with it right now. With that being said, I table this bill as a discussion until after the elections. |
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| His Imperial Highness, Vulturret | Jun 15 2018, 05:28 PM Post #2 |
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Unstoppable Force
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This is a horrendous idea. Being a Deputy Councillor and the Speaker shouldn't be that difficult of a job. Do you have any particular reasoning as to why this could be an issue? Plus, not only is the formatting bad, the way it's written is horrible. No offense, Aav, you know I like you, but this work could be a lot better. |
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| The Honorable Aav Verinhall | Jun 16 2018, 09:19 PM Post #3 |
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Separation of powers, mostly. My concern is that if a Councillor vacates their position while their deputy is the Speaker, then we've got an issue. Nothing against the deputies, I'm sure they could handle the workload, but separation of powers, and also the aforementioned reason of if their immediate superior leaves, then they have to take over. As long as you're taking a look at my proposed legislation, why don't you take a look at my public records idea. I'll clean up the bill though. Don't worry. I just happened to be on mobile at the time. |
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| Madeline | Jun 24 2018, 04:27 PM Post #4 |
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It may simply be important to ensure that those in elected positions do not hold multiple elected positions. In addition, I as the Grand Councillor can get rid of my entire Imperial Council and run everything Myself, since there’s no law requirement for minimum Councillor positions or how one becomes a Councillor. If one is elected into an office, then they should not be apppinted to another office within the government, this includes the Justicars. However I do not see an issue with someone being in two appointed positions such as the Heir and a justicar or the Emperor and a Councillor, so long as neither appointed positions are the “head” positions. Emperor assumes his position and this would be the exception to that. |
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| The Honorable Aav Verinhall | Jun 24 2018, 08:54 PM Post #5 |
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Justicar is by the constitution, Maddie. So yes. |
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| Madeline | Jun 25 2018, 10:48 PM Post #6 |
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My one question is this: how the heck are we going to be blind enough to not realize someone already in an office got another office? |
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| Caesar | Jun 26 2018, 01:38 AM Post #7 |
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Why punish those who wish/seek to be involved in multiple offices at once? If you are concerned with separation of powers and limiting an office to a single person, it would be better from my standpoint that in the situation a political official who holds an office attempts to fill a seat for a second, they can simply be told "no" instead of "you now lose both jobs and, in addition, cannot hold a job until the next election cycle". Simply proposing that "no citizen may hold multiple positions as defined here" and leaving it at that would be better than "if you have more than one position you lose both of your jobs for the automatic longest amount of time". By your previous example of the Deputy Councillor becoming the new Grand Councillor but also being the Speaker, under this proposed statute this would mean that the Grand Councillor/Speaker would be removed from both offices and then prohibited from being in any other political office for a maximum of eight weeks. As a result, that would take away from your "separation of powers" goal and instead leave a power vacuum. One solution to that vacuum would be to have the new Grand Councillor appoint a Deputy as soon as possible before removal. However, per Constitution, a Grand Councillor is not required to appoint a Deputy if they do not will it. Thus, there is a possibility in your hypothetical that three government positions, one elected and two appointed, could be left vacant (also just from how long this is getting it can be seen that breaking down the domino effect that takes place in your example is excessively complicating and would be better off if avoided). To reiterate, if the purpose of this proposed statute is to limit an official's amount of holdings to one and only one political office, it would be best to simply say "no more than one position" instead of "if you hold more than one you involuntarily give up both positions and can't hold office again for nearly two months time a.k.a. you're screwed". That punishment not only seems cruel and unusual but also unconstitutional since citizens of the region are supposed to be protected under the law, not threatened by it. I fall back now on Madeline's question, how would a person holding multiple positions in government not go unnoticed?
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| His Imperial Highness, Scottie | Jun 26 2018, 09:27 PM Post #8 |
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Formatting could use a lot of work, also I don't think we should be strict on Deputies. Deputies shouldn't be heirs to their spots but instead should just be second in command to that position. If the councillor leaves then the Grand Councillor appoints a new person to run it, that could be the deputy but if that deputy also happens to be speaker(which should be fine) they shouldn't also run the executive department, I could see bad conflict of interest there. |
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| Caesar | Jun 28 2018, 10:35 PM Post #9 |
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Deputy Grand Councillor
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Bump. |
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| Eli Hesial | Jun 28 2018, 11:01 PM Post #10 |
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This bill passed the time limit without being motioned. |
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