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| Constitutional Amendment #1; An amendment to Article III of the Constitution. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 29 2018, 02:34 AM (431 Views) | |
| Caesar | Jun 29 2018, 02:34 AM Post #1 |
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Constitutional Amendment #1 An amendment to Article III of the Constitution. Authored by: Assembly Member Caesar Emperor Emeritus Cognat I D'Vhakk Proposed by: Assembly Member Caesar Foreword The purpose of this proposal to the members of the Assembly is to amend and re-enact the sections and provisions under Article III of the Constitution currently titled "The Citizens' Assembly". All additions and subtractions from the original sections and provisions of this Article are subject to change if given a legitimate reason on the Assembly Floor. Article III of the Constitution of The Ragerian Imperium shall be amended to read as such, be it enacted by the legislature of the region: ARTICLE III -
Additional Information Under current law, the Legislature is too specified in what sorts of legislation they are deemed to propose as evident in Sections 2 through 5. New law enacts that the Legislature, both Assembly and Senate, will have the power to legislate whatever they will be it acts of war, crimes and punishments, citizenship regulations, etc. Under current law, the Assembly is the only legislative body in the region. New law enacts that there shall now be an elected body of citizens known as the Senate. The system intended to be created through the Senate is one of checks and balances instead of legislative hierarchy. Instead of a bill going in a linear direction from Assembly to Senate to Sovereign, or from Senate to Sovereign, the bill will go in an nonlinear direction. New Law enacts the system that if the Assembly passes a bill, it then goes to the Senate who then vote on it and deliver it to the Sovereign among passing. New law also enacts that if a bill is started in the Senate, it is to pass a vote in the Assembly in the same manner as previously stated. Under current law, there is no set system determining the fate of a bill that fails assent. New law enacts that if a bill is denied assent, it is sent back to the house that delivered it, be it the Assembly or the Senate, for revisions and another vote. This does not conflict with the provisions of Section 5 in Article 1 of the Constitution which states that bills that fail assent can be "either" thrown away "or" rewritten. New law establishes the way legislation is to be rewritten so as to save potential bills that could prove useful in the future. Under current law, there are standard electoral procedures determining the election of Speakers for the Assembly and the Senate. New law enacts and upholds this standard procedure and leaves open any additional form of electoral procedure and regulation such as special elections, sudden resignations, impeachment procedure, and term lengths for Senators to be passed in laws separate of the Constitution. Under current law, votes require 3/4 percent of total votes of impeachment to pass. New law enacts that the required percentage will be 2/3 for an impeachment vote to pass so as to assure a reasonable chance that an official who should be removed from office is removed. Under current law, votes for standard bills and legislation require a "simple majority" of "50% plus 1" in order to pass. New law amends and enacts the reduction of the "simple" majority to the majority vote. For a bill to pass or fail, either side simply needs more than 50% of the total votes, be it 51%, 52%, etc. The Additional Information section is not a part of the proposed bill and, if made into law, shall not be included in the revisions. Edited by Caesar, Jul 3 2018, 10:32 PM.
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| Eli Hesial | Jun 29 2018, 06:37 PM Post #11 |
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Still, it removes aspects that are clear on what can and can't be done, and just gives vague wording. With this amendment, I could have a bill, with the right support sent to the Emperor to remove the monarchy, and it would be technically legal. |
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| His Imperial Highness, Scottie | Jun 29 2018, 07:08 PM Post #12 |
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Then we need to add a necessary and proper clause? and I don't really get what you mean by vague wording, I understand it perfectly and anything not understood are easily understandable by court passing something on it or a bill passing something on it. |
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| PowerPAOK | Jun 29 2018, 08:06 PM Post #13 |
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I disagree that limiting powers should be separate to the Constitution. My own country's Constitution details powers of the federal government for example. I believe the Constitution should detail what Bills can only be introduced in the Senate, and all others can begin in whichever house with due process. I recommend a Westminster checks-and-balances system between both houses as well. You can look into that or simplify it if you wish. Edited by PowerPAOK, Jun 29 2018, 08:08 PM.
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| Samsonyte | Jun 29 2018, 08:51 PM Post #14 |
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This doesn't address the problem of Senators voting in the Plebeians' Assembly. Other than that, full support. |
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| Caesar | Jun 29 2018, 09:14 PM Post #15 |
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Senators do not vote in the Assembly they are their own group. Part of the check and balance I established was that they are able to vote on the Assembly's bills instead of them going straight to the Sovereign so they can catch something the Assembly did not, in the circumstance that happens. |
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| Samsonyte | Jun 29 2018, 09:34 PM Post #16 |
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There would be nothing to stop Senators from voting in the Assembly though, allowing them to vote twice. |
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| The Honorable Aav Verinhall | Jun 30 2018, 05:07 AM Post #17 |
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Exactly, as all citizens are a part of the lower house. |
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| PowerPAOK | Jun 30 2018, 11:00 AM Post #18 |
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Yep. That should be addressed as well. By checks-and-balances, I meant how disagreements between the two houses will be addressed. Will we have joint sessions and free conferences so the two houses understand each other's reasoning? Free conferences is just a fancy way of saying facilitated conversations surrounding a Bill (just like this one) between all citizens, Senators included, in this context.
Edited by PowerPAOK, Jun 30 2018, 11:01 AM.
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| Eli Hesial | Jun 30 2018, 11:31 AM Post #19 |
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Until all of these are addressed, I will be not motioning this for a vote. |
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| Madeline | Jun 30 2018, 05:19 PM Post #20 |
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That’s cute and all Eli but you do realize anyone can motion to vote, right? |
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