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Commentary from Interviews
Topic Started: Jul 3 2017, 10:07 AM (102 Views)
Jakker Jul 3 2017, 10:07 AM Post #1
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These interviews explored a different side to the predator incident. The players behind the punishments and the transition back into gameplay after the fact. These interviews are raw, which I especially appreciate. Some themes I picked up on was trust and a loss of control. It is one thing to be be punished for something you knew would get you in trouble. It's another thing to be punished for something you thought was perfectly legal.

It has been hard to transition from what happened with predator as these players detail. Even with that difficult, players have persisted to take part in the part of the game they love: raiding. The incident did not define us as players, but it clearly left a mark on many include those directly impacted.



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Escade Jul 3 2017, 11:27 PM Post #2
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I wasn't in NS when this Predator things happened but I think the scary thing is that I don't know programming so if I saw a script and used it I would not even think "Is this legal?" Like my most worries would have been "Is this giving access to my NS passwords the way some people said the original NS+ did?" They probably need to have more warnings and explanations when you sign up about that part.

I appreciate Koth's interview the most and also feel sad because I remember him from the old days and appreciated his fun personality and approach to the game. Other players were affected by this in a similar way with demotivation towards the game like even my brother bc a lot of his friends were out of the game.

Chingis' interview is also nice because he got back into it and is part of a great organization so :)
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Cormac Jul 4 2017, 12:24 AM Post #3
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Tbh I think this was really the first time I thought about this from the perspective of those who used Predator and were punished for it. These were really great interviews for providing that perspective, because it has generally been lacking.
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Observer 15 Jul 5 2017, 04:07 AM Post #4

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I originally didn't want to talk here, but I see so few comments...
I joined some years ago, with varying activity. I am also not a raider, nor a defender. But I have watched Gameplay. As an outsider I can say this:
In the two years before the predator punishment, raiders were the dominating Gameplay force. I didn't hear of many successful defender activity during this period at all. What I saw was a huge dominance of raiders, and some defenders moaning about the old ages, demoralized. The predator punishments were the beginning of the end for the raider dominance.
As soon as I saw the punishments, I was instantly aware that this would change a lot, and it has.
Even the low punishments(3 months WA ban) were, for a raider, crippling. Every raider activity needs WA nations. If you cannot use WA, then you cannot raid. And 3 months without raiding meant either a break from NS, or doing something that didnt need a WA nation, like certain aspects of Roleplay. And that meant that a lot of raiders would at least quit raiding.
But Predator meant more. Like someone said elsewhere, it shattered the raiding world... because some of those punished were the leaders of the raiding world. I don't think that the defenders have strengthened that much, but they have. Maybe Predator was a wake up sign for the defenders, but it wasnt only that... it gave them an excuse for their weakness before- an illegal script. That seems to have raised morals. The Grey Wardens are, in my opinion, right now the flagship of the defenders just like those punished for predator were for the raiders... and in my opinion, there is simply currently no flagship region for the raiders. Sure, there is TBH, but it just doesn't feel like a flagship region.
And there was something hopefully everyone, raiders, defenders and maybe also roleplayers have learned these things:
-Don't use unofficial scripts you don't know. You might be banned, or at least restriced in a way that is almost a ban for you.
-Don't allow the usage of scripts you don't know in your region. It doesnt matter how large your region is and how long it existed, it will be deleted with its history. It might be a 6 person region, it might be 10000 islands, it might be The North Pacific, it might be The Rejected Realms, it doesn't matter. It will be deleted.
-If you notice mass script usage in your region, and its source code is unavaliable, then start questioning. If the script is dubious(after all at least someone said - in the interviews - that they got suspicious of Predator at some point) or unquestionable illegal, report it asap and hope that your efforts mean that the region will not be deleted in its entirety.
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Jakker Jul 5 2017, 05:54 PM Post #5
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You bring up some interesting thoughts. When the predator punishments first happened, several people tried to paint all raiders as rule breakers. Several of the players punished barely used it. But I do think it was used as a rallying cry to regroup defenders.
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Observer 15 Jul 6 2017, 10:36 AM Post #6

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When you are looking at the report about the Farkers and what early raiding was, essentially rule-breaking, or rule-bending it should probably not have been a surprise that some people from that era and some of those who were taught by them had less positive views about moderation, site rules and the like. And it did happen, in the form of Predator.
And even the ones who did not want to break the rules will of course have this as a permanent strain on them, though I think that this should amount to extra careful observation of those involved, and not by barring them from raiding or other forms of gameplay as a whole- they got punished, and some of them may have learned their lesson. Hopefully all.
This seems to have happened according to these who were interviewed.
Edited by Observer 15, Jul 6 2017, 10:42 AM.
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