Changes to the Windows license

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Changes to the Windows license
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 23 2006, 03:36 AM (377 Views)
herosrest	Feb 23 2006, 03:36 AM Post #1
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,156 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: February 18, 2006	http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Microsoft_chan...erboard_upgrade February 21, 2006 Microsoft has recently made changes to the Windows license agreement, saying that “An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a new personal computer to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer."



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 05:10 AM Post #2
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	That's not good. So I buy XP this month, two months later I change out my old out of warranty mobo due to bad caps and I gotta buy another XP? Fuck these idiots, I just won't upgrade any existing OSs.



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 08:39 AM Post #3
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	Its a bit like what a lot of the large US ISPs want to do. They don't think they rip people off enough, and so now want to double dip by charging places like google etc extra. Its not like google doesn't allready pay for its bandwidth, and us poor consumers certainly pay for ours, but the ISPs want to charge google even more coz their traffic makes up a sizable portion of their total bandwidth (even though they allready pay for access to the backbone and all the other costs involved with keeping such a monstrous site on-line). The ISPs are just greedy, just like MS is about windows licences. If I want to switch my fucking motherboard over to a newer model what right have they got to stop me. Just so long as I don't build 2nd PC out of the left over bits and try to use tha same license key to install windows on that whats the fucking deal? If I do build a PC out of all the bits left over from numerous upgrades then I go and buy another copy of windows, thats fine by me, but don't make me pay an extra $150 on top of EVERY motherboard upgrade I make!



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 08:59 AM Post #4
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	Yeah, and besides I don't really buy that many mobos anyway, unless something is fucked up, like a burnout, power surge or something. I generally want a newer OS if I build a whole new computer, if one is available, and I generally try to do it that way.



Johnny Fist	Feb 23 2006, 10:34 AM Post #5
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,030 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: February 19, 2006	http://fedora.redhat.com/



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 10:40 AM Post #6
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	Linux - the ideal operating system for CPU's that are never powered up.



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 01:11 PM Post #7
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	Johnny Fist Feb 22 2006, 03:34 PM http://fedora.redhat.com/ Yeah, a couple of years ago I installed and ran red hat for awhile. I had a specific application in mind and the learning curve was just too steep for the time allotted, it was a time sensitive installation. I wound up trying several different distros and found they all had different components and versions of certain libraries... Oh yeah, just did a google... It was called Spambayes, it was written in Python. But the Python is different in the different distros. I tried installing, compiling and stuff and made progress but couldn't get there before it was due, so I just installed the run time library in win2k and it worked. Just confirmed it's been taken down now, they run their business on Gmail. :rolleyes: I did run seti on it (mine not theirs) and did some surfing, word processing etc., wasn't into digital photography yet at the time. It did all that stuff ok, didn't look all that cool, but that was over 2 years ago, hell musta been 3. I'll likely give it another go once I build another rig. Johnny, you have any ideas on the strengths and weaknesses of the different distros and guis? Maybe you could make us an informational thread about it? (I know you've put some info out, but there's no search here to find it)



Johnny Fist	Feb 23 2006, 01:29 PM Post #8
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,030 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: February 19, 2006	If you're looking for an installation for desktop use then Fedora is the way to go. It uses this new installing system called yum and yum extender that allow you to select what software you want installed, download it and the dependencies, and install it all with the push of a button. Not even Windows is that simple. I've also had some experience with Ubuntu, but never really cared for it. There is no root account and all commands requiring root privledges are run with some kind of silly sudo prefix I never could get the hang of. It also ships with the Gnome desktop. Any of the Debian based distros will probably be ok, also, but they will require much more effort than just installing Fedora. I've also used Distros like Auditor , Knoppix-STD, and Backtrack. All are distros geared towards pen testing and security. If you're into security they're exellent choices. Auditor and STD are based on Knoppix while Backtrack is based on Slackware. Auditor ships with the KDE. Backtrack ships with KDE, Fluxbox, and FCE. STD ships with Fluxbox and FCE. Knoppix-STD is the oldest and isn't really updated anymore, but has some of the best tools you'll ever need for MITM attacks. Auditor is pretty slick if you're looking at DoS atttacks and the like. Backtrack is the latest and greatest but I don't really have time to play with it too much right now. Other more user freindly bootable live CDs would be regular Knoppix and Gnoppix. I would recommend them over the security distros for desktop use. Dinner is ready so I'm going to go eat now.



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 01:38 PM Post #9
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	Thanks, I had a porterhouse and asparagus



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 01:53 PM Post #10
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	JF has just listed the main reason why linux isn't gonna replace windows any time soon (provided TC isn't introduced to win). There are, at last count over 400 different flavours of linux. Thats just way too many, and is the main reason that MS will rule the roost for the forseeable future. All have different feature sets, can be a bitch to get working well (like gene said about libraries) and all that crap. Also, forget gaming! Personally I'd love to see a worthy compeditor to windows but its just not going to happen. Windows can be all things to all people, linux simply can't. There are too many things that still can't be done easily and way too many apps that are windows only.



tantone	Feb 23 2006, 01:58 PM Post #11
Unregistered	All you have to do is buy the OEM once, then get your hands on a corporate bvolume licensed copy of XP. Install to your hearts' content. Technically, you still own a license. I say fuck MS and their new rules.
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Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 02:03 PM Post #12
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	Well thats what I do anyway, but its still technically ilegal, but then again, so is posting images from web sites other than your own without getting express permission to do so first



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 02:03 PM Post #13
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	I'm surprised you said that, but it does convey how I feel about them. I can actually justify payin for two copies, but it gets pretty gluttonous from there. I'm one guy, just how many computers am I supposed to pay to operate at once, especially when i don't really need windows for all of them? Their just pushin themselves away from the table as far as I'm concerned. Linux can have it's place and that place can get larger in the public eye depending on just what microsoft, the riaa, and others do.



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 02:21 PM Post #14
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	Thats the thing. I have several PCs, but I don't use them concurrently.



Johnny Fist	Feb 23 2006, 02:37 PM Post #15
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,030 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: February 19, 2006	How many years have you guys used Windows? Compare that to how many years you've used Linux. Are they the same? More than likely you've got a decade or more under your belt using DOS or Windows. Then when you check out Linux it's suddenly different. Its not comfortable anymore. So now you have to go back to where you were ten years ago. You're starting over. You're learning again. Every folder you open, every program you try to install becomes a challenge. It's exciting again. Its new. You're learning again. Thats how it goes sometimes. You can't keep yourself grounded in one operating system only. If you're like me, and you can feel the stranglehold of big business crushing the freedoms we've come to enjoy as an internation community, then I beg you to please try something different. Go out and buy a Mac. Play around with it. Get comfortable with it. Install Linux on that second computer you have downstairs or in the corner you don't use everyday. Play with it. Read some tutorials or forums on the internet. Just do something, for god's sake.



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 02:48 PM Post #16
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	That's a good point, Johnny. My first DOS machine was an XT and didn't even have a hard drive, but I added one later. Had to upgrade to DOS 3.1 too, from 2.sumthin that didn't even support winchester drives or have access to io room in the over 640 range or some such crap, hell I can't even remember how much I forgot :lol: There is still the software issue, but ya know that will gradually change with user base. I can see having 2 windoze licenses and runnin the rest on linux next thing down the road.



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 02:56 PM Post #17
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	Its a good point, but totaly irrelevant if you wan the ability to run apps that are windows/mac only like photoshop or most games. Also, it fails to address the huge variety of linus versions and flavours. Each with its own little array of differences to all other flavours. Its going to be a long time before it can escape its 'web server' label and start appearing on desktops the world over. Hell, its got even less numbers on the desktop as mac has Vs PC.



Johnny Fist	Feb 23 2006, 03:09 PM Post #18
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,030 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: February 19, 2006	The Gimp does everything Photoshop does except its free. Thats easy. What really concerns me is the fact you seem upset by how many distributions of Linux there are. Why is that bad? Isn't it better to have many viewpoints instead of just one? The numbers don't concern me that much. Macs are Unix now and thats enough for me. With the arrival of OSX the world has officially been divided into two camps....Windows on one side and a rag tag bunch of Unix clans on the other. Its a pretty exciting climate really. If you just want an everyday distro to use as an everyday desktop, download Fedora. Until you actually try using it instead of just complaining about it, I don't know how much validity your statements have.



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 03:23 PM Post #19
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	That's why I'm thinkin to keep a couple of windows machines current and maybe several linux machines for other stuff in the near future. My laptops might have to stay Windows cause I use them professionally and certain software is Windows ONLY for now. A Mac version is forthcoming, but this is one of those "separates the men from the boys" apps in my field. Funny, the mac version of Smaart Live is coming out, but mac is switchin to Intel, and the floating point is finally adequate now. Quote: Also, it fails to address the huge variety of linus versions and flavours. Each with its own little array of differences to all other flavours. Its going to be a long time before it can escape its 'web server' label and start appearing on desktops the world over. Hell, its got even less numbers on the desktop as mac has Vs PC. For some ppl, that might be considered a plus. Less virii, less spyware. And even if it does get big, it's an open system. Less incentive for virii, spyware maybe. I'm finkin... it's worth learning somethin



tantone	Feb 23 2006, 05:43 PM Post #20
Unregistered	There are a handful of companies/organizations that miht go Linux on the desktop, but it drastically increases support costs, contrary to popular belief. MS has dominance in the marketplace and will as far as I can see in the future. *nix has it's place--for dorks like us, for specific workstations and servers in the corporate world--but other than that they don't have much. 90% of my company's desktops are Windows.
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Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 07:20 PM Post #21
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	I'm not 'upset' by the many different versions, but I'm not blind, the increased cost in supporting X number of versions/flavours of an OS is just stupid. GIMP is a capable editor, yes, but if thats the case and linux is so much more stable than win or macOS why isn't it the industry standard instead of photoshop? Seen GIMPShop? Some guy has made all the menus and options look exactly like photoshop The GIMP guys hate is, and the photoshop guys hate it too



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 07:45 PM Post #22
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	Gimp is free... what the fuck... add 1+1... 2+2.... 4+4... know wot I mean? Gimp is open source and free... not photoshop, by any stretch. And it runs on a free open source platform. Linux, see?



genesound	Feb 23 2006, 07:50 PM Post #23
Los Angeles Posts: 1,601 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: February 13, 2006	Wanna recompile for some deviant support? It's Linux. not necessarilly for the masses... not for the rest of us either... just for we the ppl.



Johnny Fist	Feb 23 2006, 09:41 PM Post #24
Ultimate Advanced Member Posts: 3,030 Group: Members Member #21 Joined: February 19, 2006	You're starting to see the light, genesound. While I'm 100% for Linux I'm not a fucking idiot. You had better keep your windows computer for work. When I started started using Linux I would install it on my internet computer. I always have one machine that I invariably go to when I'm going to screw around on the internet. That machine would get Linux. That would be a good choice....less spyware, less worries about losing data if something crashes, etc At the same time you're doing something familiar and exposing yourself to Linux at the same time. Everyone go try Linux this weekend, except for Zybyy, who doesn't seem to like expanding his knowledge of PCs.



Zybch	Feb 23 2006, 09:49 PM Post #25
RULER!!! Posts: 8,915 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: February 12, 2006	I have a linux PC running at the mo. Just not all that pleased at it, probably all the unwarranted hype left me disapointed with the real thing.

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