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$4,000+ for 4 Hamburgers
Topic Started: Mar 29 2006, 09:36 AM (512 Views)
genesound
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Yeah, if that stuff was privatized it would just get worse with the extra layer of profiteering. Also those poor customers will never be happy with anything. They are failures that society somehow has to cater to.
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tantone
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Hellmasterhell...what are you, like 13? According to the Constitution and the doctrine of democracy, yes, the people ARE the gov't. But, if that held true would there still be a war in Iraq with a 30% approval rating???

The fact is we live in a REPRESENTATIVE democracy. We elect the people to represent us, and then they go from there. By doing that, THEY choose who to contract out gov't business to. We don't vote and agree on every decision they make. Take more gov't courses boy. THEY are the customer, with "the people" being the customer by proxy.

As for the poor in shitty housing...the live in a fucked up backward building because they didn't give enough of a shit when it mattered to ensure that they weren't going to be stuck in that kind of a situation. The beauty of the US is that, if they worked at it, they don't have to be stuck there. I say we make it MORE shitty so they have some incentive to make a better life for themselves.
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HeLLMasteRHeLL
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Oh? So are all American students just stupider than those in other countries? Or perhaps it's because the schools are worse? Another perfect example.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338
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tantone
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They're more complacent and feel like they should be catered to. They are blind to the opportuinty they actually have here in the US and choose to waste it. For every class you show me that's a total shithole and kids are falling asleep because teachers are dull--since when is the responsibility of teachers to entertain their classes?--I can show you kids in that class who are getting an A and who will succeed. It's the choice of the student, usually based on shitty parenting, whether or not they will learn.

When you get to college, you'll have PLENTY of professors who are boring as hell and you lose complete interest in the class. But it's YOUR responsibilty to learn the material and get beyond your boredom. Blaming the teacher is a cop-out.
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Zybch
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Johnny Fist
Apr 1 2006, 03:02 AM
I'd buy the charities and then close them. You know how much fun it would be to lay off volunteers? Fuck 'em.

Esp the Salvos and the fucking Red Cross (as well as any ones that help children).
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HeLLMasteRHeLL
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tantone
Apr 1 2006, 01:43 AM
When you get to college, you'll have PLENTY of professors who are boring as hell and you lose complete interest in the class. But it's YOUR responsibilty to learn the material and get beyond your boredom.

Only reason for that is your dishing out so much to be there, you're a heck of alot less likely to screw off if you're wasting your own money. Thing is, in a regular public school, it takes alot of fucking off to be kicked out. In private schools, if you don't do anything, you're likely to be removed from the school. In any school you'll be removed for causing too much trouble, but rarely are kids removed from public schools for not doing any work.

A good teacher can keep most of their kids on task, and paying attention. For one thing, especially in elementary/middle schools, discipline is extremely poor. And if a kid slacks off and does nothing, what do they do? They graduate him to the next year. It's because they let the students get away with everything and don't really give a shit, well, why not? Because they're still going to get paid the same, and getting fired is something unlikely, the standards are horrible, the system should concentrate on government more, and services should be privately ran, when there is competition and choices, you have try to make your 'business' the best it can be. Ever take a privately owned express lane? Compare the technology, stability, and efficiency they use to an average government ran one. Why are flights always canceled or delayed? If you ever fly between America and Canada, come on here and tell me how much better the Canadian flight was set up and went, compared to the American one.
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Zybch
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If it was privately run nobody but the rich could afford to send their kids there, just like with all the other upper class twit production facilities, I mean private schools, out there allready!
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HeLLMasteRHeLL
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Zybch
Apr 1 2006, 02:41 AM
If it was privately run nobody but the rich could afford to send their kids there, just like with all the other upper class twit production facilities, I mean private schools, out there allready!

Read the info in that link. It would be payed for through taxes, based on the number of people who go to that school. But here's the catch, if there is no students, you have no money, and no school, and since you would also have rights to choose your school, competition would matter, because if you were unsatisfied with the school, you send your kids to another.
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Doing well at school may get you a better job, but motivation to do well at school for many kids isn't high.
Friends of mine who have more money than me, were hardly at school and one spent most of his 12 - 25 age in jail, now he's rich, people may be intimidated by him, but it's more of the right place, right time, we all know people like that, another just imports trinkets from asia sells them 1000% mark up, drives a roller, from a couple of little shops and supplying market stalls, an added benefit for him is GFs 30 yrs younger than him from Thailand, I know plenty people like that, but when you hang out with them they are only interested in talkin about money, but not one finished school.
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Zybch
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I think it was Einstein who once said:

"Education is what you get after you've forgetten everything you learn in school"

Something very similar anyway.
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tantone
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You're right, werz. School isn't a guarantee that you'll be successful. However, if you look at the statistics, those with a college degree are more wealthy than those without.

Don't discount an education just because you know people who didn't get one who are rich.

If you stack all the cards in your favor, your chances for success are FAR FAR greater than the guy who just wants to work 3 days a week, or 20 hours a week.
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tantone
Apr 1 2006, 04:44 AM
If you stack all the cards in your favor, your chances for success are FAR FAR greater than the guy who just wants to work 3 days a week, or 20 hours a week.

If only it were so easy... *sigh* goddammit... I'm too fucking lazy to work... fuck... *sigh* fuckinay man.. back to workin...
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Zybch
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tantone
Apr 1 2006, 10:44 AM
You're right, werz. School isn't a guarantee that you'll be successful. However, if you look at the statistics, those with a college degree are more wealthy than those without.

A lot of that comes from knowing or being itroduced to the 'right' people. Its got nothing to do with actually learning anything.
Anyone who has been to college and then gone out and gotten a job knows damn well that college doesn't prepare you for life in the real world. You have to unlearn almost everything.
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Your college degree is a passport out of shitty jobs. I'm starting to notice an influx of people in my trade with college degrees. It seems like even in manufacturing environments people with degrees, or at least some time of post secondary education, are getting jobs while people without are being laid off.
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I work HVAC and make damned good money doing it. The only thing you need is a brain and the ability to use it.

The climb up the ladder was slow, getting certifications and licensed along with OJT but when you get there it is a good trade that is never going away. People have a definite fondness for keeping warm in the winter and cool in the summer.

I make a damned good living for a guy with a GED.
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tantone
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I don't know why so many of you are discounting and badmouthing a college degree. Honestly, it sounds like you don't have one so therefore don't have any real life comparison about what life is like WITHOUT it and WITH it.

If you don't have a degree and want to sit here saying it's BS, all that tells me is that you're ignorant.

College isn't about networking. Companies look for college graduates over non-grads because sticking it out for 4 years shows some trace of commitment--it tells them that this is more likely someone with an idea about work that the guy without the degree doesn't have. Is that always the case? No. Do a lot of people graduate college who are complete and utter morons? Absolutely.

But, the FACT is that each level of education acts like a sieve and weeds out more and more. If you choose applicants with college degrees, your chances of hiring a dipshit decrease over hiring from a pool of non-grads. If you limit your applicant pool to those with a Masters or PhD, you're even further decreasing your chances of hiring a dipshit over the pool of college-only grads.

Sure, there's always a 10%, no matter how elite the pool. But that percentage increases the further down the education chain you go.
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genesound
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I'm not dissagreeing with that, but there are highly educated fools, too, like that prof that thinks schools should have a different schedule for everybody to accomodate their differing body clocks.

People get so educated in one thing that they lose all concept of what it's all about and how insignifigant their role in the big picture actually is.

I went to school and worked while I was doing it and never finished, but I did whiz through the relevant courses in my profession with top grades. When I consider people for a job, I'm usually much more interested in their work ethic and their experience and accomplishments, rather than how long they lived in the school system off of daddys money.
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Like I said, there's always a 10%.

You give me two resumes for a position, both identical in terms of experience and work ethic, but one has a degree and one doesn't...I'll hire the guy with the degree. And so will most every other company with their head on straight.

Of course, blue-collar jobs don't fit this mold. I couldn't give a shit about blue-collar jobs myself.
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Thats beginning to change, too. As I already mentioned I'm seeing people without a degree leaving my trade and being replaced with people with a degree. The actual degree doesn't matter, its the fact that they have a degree in anything. Like tantone says, two take two identical applications except one mentions a degree and guess who gets hired. Thats reality. The days of a high school diploma being enough to get a good job are over. Period. Even HVAC positions require certifications and at least a two year degree in Ohio.
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Careful, JF, the HS-diploma-only guys are going to disagree. To them I can only say that unless you've finished college and have experience on both sides of the degree, I don't think you have the experience to really make a valid conclusion. Going but not finishing doesn't count.

It's the finishing part that people are after.
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Yeah, thats the hard part. And they can disagree all they want. I went and didn't finish. I worked in the real world long enough to know that I fucked up and had better get it over with before I'm too old. If they don't want to take some good advice then I say fuck 'em. The world needs ditch diggers, too.

One thing I'm suprised noone has commented on is the fact that people with degrees are working blue collar manufacturing jobs. Kind of scary to think outsourcing is beginning to erode the upper middle class, but it is. Thats another reality. You had better keep on top of your game, tantone, because you're not above the outsourcing ax either.
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tantone
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Hell no, I'm not. I work in IT. Outsourcing is the name of the game.
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Zybch
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Outsourcing is finally being exposed for the fraud it really is.
No surprise that its your line of work I guess.
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