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Day Five; and now I am the dead
Topic Started: Feb 21 2015, 02:01 AM (421 Views)
Leo

If they want to lynch Dels, that's fine too
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Leo

If they lynched Ulti I'll haunt them so hard.

What kind of scum has a godfather on the team, sees the only town scanner claimed is a one use jack and says "yo, claiming Cop is totally viable!!!!"

No scum at all.
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Tony

Leo
Feb 21 2015, 08:41 PM
I guess now you're watch the kingsmen

This is pretty frustrating
Sory dude. If it makes you feel any better that movie was fucking amazing and you should go see it.
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Tony

Leo
Feb 21 2015, 04:32 PM
Definitely Town

Tony - Obvs

Raka - Roleblocked twice, tracked once. He's not going anywhere and we all need to accept that he's townie as hell now.

Ulti - I still believe he's town and votes on him are bad. This is based on personal knowledge of his play, the fact a miller and a godfather flipped, and the fact he was tracked to Plum by dizzy. I don't believe he'd claim to target Chris as a scum cop claim, that would only make people suspect he killed Chris. I also maintain it makes no sense for Spiral to tie himself to a scummate. It's the same reason scum (almost) never fake claims mason.

Plum - With the Godfather dead, Ulti's scans are basically guaranteed accurate. Additionally, if Plum was scum they'd probably be roleblocking Dizzy instead of Ulti, because they'd know he was Paranoid and therefore useless.

Dizzy - I don't believe the way he claimed were scum motivated. If he's scum he's some kind of super genius. I mean, he spent a lot of time making it obvious before he claimed that he had tracked Ulti, and saying Ulti was vanilla fake claiming cop. He also knew Shad went nowhere before he claimed.

Shad - Tracked nowhere N1, so at the very least he's not the roleblocker, barring some kind of ninja roleblocker. Which I could kind of see to counter a bullet proof watcher/tracker, real tracker, actually. Hrrm. Well, if a theory needs a ninja roleblocker or untargetable roleblocker to make sense, it's probably not the best.

Zara - I just really like Zara as town.

Remaining

Dels - Dels has been very Townie. If he's scum it's a nearly perfect game, but he has no scans supporting him. He did switch to Chris last minute - after voting pj in the first place. I don't know, maybe he didn't expect the pj lynch to actually catch on? Switching of pj out of MI fear seems kinda weak. He was on fire day two, though. He put a lot of work into making sure Spiral was lynched over Raka. I'd be pretty surprised if he's scum.

Crescent-Moon - I have no real criticism beyond trying to vote Chris at the last second and saying in advance that she was nervous about him flipping Town and people blasting her for it. Not hammering in the tiebreak is good, but one could argue that she felt nervous then, she'd also be nervous about looking bad for hammering a tie breaker earlier. Again, I'd be surprised if she's scum but there's only so many viable suspects left.

dowolf

I guess I still can't think of anyone I want to vote more than Dowolf. He does seem to be untargetable, but all he really has to his favour is one good vote D1. He defended Spiral and wanted to lynch Raka Day Two. He defended Death Day Three before the modkill. He had no real reaction to Scare, and I don't think he'd continually go after Ulti or say Ulti/Scare would resolve themselves if he was truly town untargetable. I think he'd just push to lynch Scare.

I'd still lynch Dowolf today, actually.

Re: power meta. As I was saying before Scare modkilled himself, this game is balanced in such a way to get town power to self destruct. A BP miller jack with a track and a cop scan, an insane cop, a tracker - naturally they're all going to suspect each other. Why ban someone from claiming miller unless the intent is for them to be scanned guilty? Lynch Dowolf if you want to lynch a power claim, otherwise lynch a vanilla.
As far as Dowolf goes, doesn't your theory about the meta fit directly into that? Make him untargetable townie aka unverifiable, and then we suspect him?

Who do you think is the Scum blocker?
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Tony

Leo
Feb 21 2015, 04:32 PM
Definitely Town<br /><br />Tony - Obvs<br /><br />Raka - Roleblocked twice, tracked once. He's not going anywhere and we all need to accept that he's townie as hell now. <br /><br />Ulti - I still believe he's town and votes on him are bad. This is based on personal knowledge of his play, the fact a miller and a godfather flipped, and the fact he was tracked to Plum by dizzy. I don't believe he'd claim to target Chris as a scum cop claim, that would only make people suspect he killed Chris. I also maintain it makes no sense for Spiral to tie himself to a scummate. It's the same reason scum (almost) never fake claims mason. <br /><br />Plum - With the Godfather dead, Ulti's scans are basically guaranteed accurate. Additionally, if Plum was scum they'd probably be roleblocking Dizzy instead of Ulti, because they'd know he was Paranoid and therefore useless. <br /><br />Dizzy - I don't believe the way he claimed were scum motivated. If he's scum he's some kind of super genius. I mean, he spent a lot of time making it obvious before he claimed that he had tracked Ulti, and saying Ulti was vanilla fake claiming cop. He also knew Shad went nowhere before he claimed. <br /><br />Shad - Tracked nowhere N1, so at the very least he's not the roleblocker, barring some kind of ninja roleblocker. Which I could kind of see to counter a bullet proof watcher/tracker, real tracker, actually. Hrrm. Well, if a theory needs a ninja roleblocker or untargetable roleblocker to make sense, it's probably not the best. <br /><br />Zara - I just really like Zara as town.<br /><br />Remaining<br /><br />Dels - Dels has been very Townie. If he's scum it's a nearly perfect game, but he has no scans supporting him. He did switch to Chris last minute - after voting pj in the first place. I don't know, maybe he didn't expect the pj lynch to actually catch on? Switching of pj out of MI fear seems kinda weak. He was on fire day two, though. He put a lot of work into making sure Spiral was lynched over Raka. I'd be pretty surprised if he's scum.<br /><br />Crescent-Moon - I have no real criticism beyond trying to vote Chris at the last second and saying in advance that she was nervous about him flipping Town and people blasting her for it. Not hammering in the tiebreak is good, but one could argue that she felt nervous then, she'd also be nervous about looking bad for hammering a tie breaker earlier. Again, I'd be surprised if she's scum but there's only so many viable suspects left.<br /><br />dowolf<br /><br />I guess I still can't think of anyone I want to vote more than Dowolf. He does seem to be untargetable, but all he really has to his favour is one good vote D1. He defended Spiral and wanted to lynch Raka Day Two. He defended Death Day Three before the modkill. He had no real reaction to Scare, and I don't think he'd continually go after Ulti or say Ulti/Scare would resolve themselves if he was truly town untargetable. I think he'd just push to lynch Scare.<br /><br />I'd still lynch Dowolf today, actually. <br /><br />Re: power meta. As I was saying before Scare modkilled himself, this game is balanced in such a way to get town power to self destruct. A BP miller jack with a track and a cop scan, an insane cop, a tracker - naturally they're all going to suspect each other. Why ban someone from claiming miller unless the intent is for them to be scanned guilty? Lynch Dowolf if you want to lynch a power claim, otherwise lynch a vanilla.
As far as Dowolf goes, doesn't your theory about the meta fit directly into that? Make him untargetable townie aka unverifiable, and then we suspect him?

Who do you think is the Scum blocker?
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Leo

I did have that theory, it's true. But based purely on play, no one is scummier than Dowolf. It made me doubt my theory and think there's something else going on.

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Leo

If we lynch Delseban, Dizzy will track crescent and we'll roleblock Shad. Even though one of you will die, the game should know who the roleblocker is based on the results.

And that's good to know about Kingsmen, I'll probably see it if it ever comes to my town
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Tony

Leo
Feb 22 2015, 12:01 AM
If we lynch Delseban, Dizzy will track crescent and we'll roleblock Shad. Even though one of you will die, the game should know who the roleblocker is based on the results.

And that's good to know about Kingsmen, I'll probably see it if it ever comes to my town
So you want me to lynch Dels over Dowolf instead?
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Leo

My official stance right now is "not Ulti"

Dowolf, Delseban, Crescent are all fine.
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Leo

"In order for Ulti to be town, that means Spiral claimed confirmable from page 1 and later claimed Bus Driver... even though he never actually had a bus drive. That makes NO sense at all to me."

Bus driver is incredibly easy to fake. Scum Spiral claimed bus driver in Wrestling Mafia as a non bus driver. It's just scum Spiral's favourite fake claim, going back many years. (He did go through a vanilla claiming phase in between then and now)
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