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| Rush poker on Full Tilt, thoughts? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 22 2010, 02:41 AM (375 Views) | |
| Febiv | Jan 24 2010, 08:17 AM Post #16 |
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Overlords of the Di Yu
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Actually no. Every time I got in the middle, I had the best of it. I was actually impressed with my play in that tourney, because I was steaming on getting drawn out on in the previous 3 SnGs. In all actuality, I probably shouldn't have entered the tourney, but my play was tight, probably the best I have played in a long time. So, now that I look at it that way, I can be happy about the finish, I played pretty good, and try to build on that....but that shit sucks! That hand would have put me at the final table. Instead, the person that took my chips was out within 5 minutes after that hand. I will be back on there today trying to recoup my losses from yesterday. |
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| Cyrrix_chipset | Jan 24 2010, 09:30 AM Post #17 |
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Master of the 52 card deck
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So will I, but had to vent. I knew he didn't have Aces. His play that I didn't write showed me he was defending his BB. I gave him credit for at best AJ as that board was close to J-7-3. Granted after the flop he had 6 outs I just felt doubly wronged that of the 6 outs he hit the 2 out part. |
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| The_Immortal_DJINN | Jan 24 2010, 10:43 AM Post #18 |
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Lords of the 17th Chamber of Maggots
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It's official. Neither of you are allowed in any poker game I sit at. These are responses of two guys who know how to play some fucking poker. They are wise enough to admit when it sucks to lose (and it does, it really, really, REALLY does---trust me, I know), but are confident enough to know that through expert play they will get their wins the majority of the time DESPITE those beats. Frank - It pleases me that you've taken the situation into an overall perspective---from the limited information you've given me, you put it all in with the best hand and you placed in the top 2 percent---TWO percent--- in a massive MTT. Meaning you outplayed and out lasted 98% of the field. Regardless of the outcome, regardless of how much you won or how much you stood to win, whether you like it or not, that is a fucking impressive finish no matter how you slice it. You absolutely could not get to that point without playing some balls up poker. Jer - When I was working with a partner, I can't tell you how often he and I would vent to one another. Venting is normal. It's healthy, and it's part of the learning process. Come on here and vent all you want, I'll listen. But instead of saying "Fuck Full Tilt" which is the initial thing you want to say, post the hand history and let's break down the math and we'll figure it out. Here's how I might have played your hand (granted I only have position, I don't have denominations or chipstacks, I'm just going off fundamental play using what info you gave me. This is intended to be constructive to see if we might be able to improve. Let's discuss this:
I don't like this play in general, esp if you think this guy is inclined to defend his big blind. I'm going to 3x or 4x bet. IMO, this looks more like I'm trying to steal with an aggressive bet. A min raise invites him into the pot for cheap, but the fundamental problem with this is that he could call with virtually any hand, and you will have the toughest time trying to understand what he has post flop. His range of hands is going to be vast. I'm not a fan of making anything cheap for my opponents, especially when I have a powerhouse hand like KK. If he calls my aggressive bet, I'm getting more money in the pot with the best hand, and if they raise me back, I've got a big smile on my face---that is the best case scenario for me.
You got the best case scenario. Fundamentally, there's really not enough money in the pot to defend a blind with A7, and the right move was to fold to any raise. But, try and understand the mind of a fish and you'll go insane. Anyway, he re-raises you. He actively puts more money in the pot when you have the best of it, and you...just call. Bad Jeremy. We don't play passively, and we don't get cute. This is where you click on the time button, give a little pause and then re-pop him across the fucking skull. Let me ask you something---are pocket kings a hand you're willing to go to war with? Me too. Put him to a decision pre-flop. You think you've got the best hand sir? Let's put it all the cheese in the middle and see when you are a MASSIVE favorite.
Well, now you're in a predicament. You've made it cheap for him to get to this point in the hand and he could have any two cards. If you still believe you have the best hand at this point, you should re-raise him. That's the thing with large pocket pairs. Bottom line: With every additional card that hits the board, your pocket pair becomes weaker. Allowing your opponent to travel down multiple streets is a recipe for getting stacked. Your kings are at their most potent pre-flop. Everything from your opponent's play indicates he was more than willing to go to war with their hand...oblige him!!!! Nick (PS - Good Luck today, gents. Off to the Sports Bar with Friends to watch the Champ Games. That, and there is a fat $10 Prop bet pool I'm getting into :-) Edited by The_Immortal_DJINN, Jan 24 2010, 10:44 AM.
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| Cyrrix_chipset | Jan 24 2010, 10:55 AM Post #19 |
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Master of the 52 card deck
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god the power to edit or delete is wonderful! Yeah iwas getting tricky when i shouldn't have been, and I paid dearly. Edited by Cyrrix_chipset, Jan 24 2010, 09:36 PM.
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| Febiv | Jan 25 2010, 03:51 PM Post #20 |
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Overlords of the Di Yu
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The specifics on my hand, or at least as best as I can remember them. There were 20 people left in the tourney, I was sitting in roughly 15th place with roughly 55K in chips. Blinds were at 2500/5000 and there was an ante, I can't remember how much. I was BB and got dealt AK off suited. The person right before the cutoff, on a 9 man table raised it to 15000, with about 114K sitting behind them. It was then folded to me. I reraised all in and they called with A-10, and the 10 hit on the river. Winning that hand would have put me in the final table the way I was playing, and I felt that I was the best at whatever table I was playing at in that tourney. I wasn't leaking chips with frivolous calls, my play was pretty damn good, if I say so myself. The only way I can see me taking 20th is if there were people knocked out during my hand, as I checked after every hand to see how many were left, and those are the numbers I remember seeing last. Of course, my recollection could be wrong, and I could just pull out the hand histrory... Edited by Febiv, Jan 25 2010, 03:53 PM.
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| Febiv | Feb 9 2010, 09:21 AM Post #21 |
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Overlords of the Di Yu
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Tried this again yesterday. Threw $5 on the .05/.10 tables. Quickly almost doubled up, taking it up to just over $9. Get A-Q suited clubs on the button. Raise it to .45, get called by the limper in mid position. Flop comes Ah-9c-5c. Player bets into me .20 (pot is now 1.25), I think about it, make a raise to 1.10, giving him roughly 2 to 1 on his odds. He goes over the top all in, committing the remaining $3 he had. This being RUSH poker, there is no real read on this guy's playing/ betting habits. One would think this guy has to know I have at least an Ace, what he may not know is that I also have the nut flush draw. I know what I put him on, what do you put him on? Do you call the all in bet? Why or why not? I will complete the results of the hand after you respond....this tells you I called.
Edited by Febiv, Feb 9 2010, 09:25 AM.
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| Piley | Feb 9 2010, 10:01 AM Post #22 |
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Master of Magic, Overlord of All Colorado
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I would call here, because I would think that I'm good. Either he has an A-x, likely a A-K or an A-J... or he has a J-9, 10-9, or 8-9. If he had A-A or 9-9, he would have raised it pre-flop and not limped in this game. The only 2 hands you don't want to see him with is a A-K, A-9. In just about every other likely hand to see, you should have him beat. So your looking at probably a 65-35 situation or better most of the time. From what I've read about Rush Poker last week, the general opinion of it was that you should win considerably more money than you lose if you raise any 2-cards on every street and just buy 8 or 9 out of every 10 pots doing so. Some people are implementing that stragety too, especially at the lower stakes levels, but in this case he limped pre-flop and then shoving over the top of your raise post-flop. Therefore, I doubt that he's trying this stragety here. |
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| Cyrrix_chipset | Feb 9 2010, 10:05 AM Post #23 |
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Master of the 52 card deck
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My guess is they flopped a set and your hurting, or they hit two pair with an ace. With your flush draw back up you have to call, but I assume you are behind as the money goes in. |
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| Febiv | Feb 9 2010, 10:26 AM Post #24 |
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Overlords of the Di Yu
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This is what I thought, but I also agree that I have to call. I have the flush draw, not to mention this guy could just be trying to steal the pot. I call. Turn up the hands, he has 6-8 clubs. I don't think I need to tell you what came on the turn...you can probably guess. HINT- I hit my flush ![]() But I think I still make the call in the future... My entire day went like that, with my Kings getting busted by A-rag, my Queens running into Kings...it was rough, and I am surprised I didn't blow my entire online BR (as small as it is) yesterday. Edited by Febiv, Feb 9 2010, 10:27 AM.
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| Cyrrix_chipset | Feb 9 2010, 11:18 AM Post #25 |
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Master of the 52 card deck
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I stopped playing rush. I lost way too much money. 0/3 with aa vs a lower pp all in preflop |
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