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Weekly Round 2 on PokerStars
Topic Started: Feb 14 2010, 02:29 PM (224 Views)
Piley
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After earning and then blowing 4 previous weekly step 2 tokens (the freeroll 9,000 player events where the top 56 or 72 people earn a free entry to a $2k event). On the 5th token, I finally parlayed the ticket into an actual cash... I accomplished this in an Omaha H/L Limit event no less.


At the min cash level, there are still 1,350 people left...

Here are my stats so far.


During current Omaha H/L session you were dealt 87 hands and saw flop:
- 8 out of 10 times while in big blind (80%)
- 6 out of 8 times while in small blind (75%)
- 49 out of 69 times in other positions (71%)
- a total of 63 out of 87 (72%)
Pots won at showdown - 17 of 30 (56%)
Pots won without showdown - 3


I've also been card dead for the past 30 to 60 minutes now...
Edited by Piley, Feb 14 2010, 02:34 PM.

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Piley
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With 400 players left, I just got crippled...

During current Omaha H/L session you were dealt 132 hands and saw flop:
- 14 out of 16 times while in big blind (87%)
- 10 out of 13 times while in small blind (76%)
- 78 out of 103 times in other positions (75%)
- a total of 102 out of 132 (77%)
Pots won at showdown - 29 of 50 (58%)
Pots won without showdown - 4





PokerStars Game #39759271538: Tournament #240344794, Freeroll Omaha Hi/Lo Limit - Level XIII (1200/2400) - 2010/02/14 15:35:20 MT [2010/02/14 17:35:20 ET]
Table '240344794 75' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: King_ring209 (21485 in chips)
Seat 2: candy4040 (61237 in chips)
Seat 3: dixieladye (29663 in chips)
Seat 4: stheno (30385 in chips)
Seat 5: /loc@pa (41508 in chips)
Seat 6: Piley (15816 in chips)
Seat 8: bvb_fan2412 (9850 in chips)
Seat 9: Tony Twist15 (1840 in chips)
King_ring209: posts the ante 125
candy4040: posts the ante 125
dixieladye: posts the ante 125
stheno: posts the ante 125
/loc@pa: posts the ante 125
Piley: posts the ante 125
bvb_fan2412: posts the ante 125
Tony Twist15: posts the ante 125
Tony Twist15: posts small blind 600
King_ring209: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Piley [Kc 4s Qc 9c]
trykkk is connected
candy4040: folds
dixieladye: folds
stheno: folds
/loc@pa: calls 1200
Piley: calls 1200
bvb_fan2412: folds
Tony Twist15: raises 515 to 1715 and is all-in
King_ring209: calls 515
/loc@pa: calls 515
Piley: calls 515
*** FLOP *** [Tc Th 8c]
King_ring209: checks
/loc@pa: bets 1200
Piley: calls 1200
King_ring209: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [Tc Th 8c] [9d]
King_ring209: bets 2400
/loc@pa: raises 2400 to 4800
Piley: calls 4800
King_ring209: calls 2400
*** RIVER *** [Tc Th 8c 9d] [Jh]
King_ring209: bets 2400
/loc@pa: raises 2400 to 4800
Piley: raises 2400 to 7200
King_ring209: calls 4800
/loc@pa: calls 2400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Piley: shows [Kc 4s Qc 9c] (HI: a straight, Nine to King)
King_ring209: shows [9s 5c 9h 6s] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Tens)
/loc@pa: shows [3d Td 2c 8h] (HI: a full house, Tens full of Eights)
/loc@pa collected 39600 from side pot
Tony Twist15: shows [5d Ac 7c Qs] (HI: a pair of Tens)
/loc@pa collected 7860 from main pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 47460 Main pot 7860. Side pot 39600. | Rake 0
Board [Tc Th 8c 9d Jh]
Seat 1: King_ring209 (big blind) showed [9s 5c 9h 6s] and lost with HI: a full house, Nines full of Tens
Seat 2: candy4040 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dixieladye folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: stheno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: /loc@pa showed [3d Td 2c 8h] and won (47460) with HI: a full house, Tens full of Eights
Seat 6: Piley showed [Kc 4s Qc 9c] and lost with HI: a straight, Nine to King
Seat 8: bvb_fan2412 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tony Twist15 (small blind) showed [5d Ac 7c Qs] and lost with HI: a pair of Tens


I think I shouldn't have made that last raise, but I probably still call with the straight to the end, or I should have folded on the flop.



In busted in 390th place, which was worth $0.70 from this freeroll.
Edited by Piley, Feb 14 2010, 03:43 PM.

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The Liberals have been fighting poverty for nearly
a century now. Poverty has won. Give it up already!
"
-- Christopher E. Otwell, 2011 August 24
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Febiv
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Chris, do you enjoy calling to a showdown and losing almost half the time? You have to know you are beat half of those times, don't you?
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Piley
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Febiv
Feb 14 2010, 07:44 PM
Chris, do you enjoy calling to a showdown and losing almost half the time? You have to know you are beat half of those times, don't you?
In NL Hold`em, it's a lot easier to know if you are a winner or a loser before calling or going to a showdown. In Limit Omaha, H/L it's not simple to know, especially when you go to showdown on a low-draw which will get there from time-to-time.



Afterwards, I went over to the Wolf's Den, and finished 3rd out of 29 players in the NL Hold`em tournament, which gave me a bar tab.



I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't have called all-in on the hand that busted me, but I just want to make sure...


In the Big Blind. 3 players total left. I had a stack of 11k after putting in my Big Blind. Blinds are 1k/2k. The Chip Leader is a complete Rock Garden, and is sitting at ~49k. The other player is in the Small Blind, and is easily the most aggressive player at the table, and has been for the past hour or so. In at least 1/2 of the pots since we were 5 handed, he is raising the bet pre-flop, and is sitting at ~32k currently.


In the Big Blind, I get dealt K-2 Suited in Diamonds. Mr Rock folds predictably. Mr Aggressive raises it to 13k total to put me all-in (my 2k + the remaining 11k). He's done it to me a few times already, but usually on the flop.


After a minute of thinking, I decide to call. My opponent proceeds to flip 5-5. The flops comes out as 3-5-9 rainbow, so I'm basically drawing dead now. Nothing comes to bail me out.


In retrospect, I'm not sure if a Suited-Face card W/bad kicker was good enough to push all-in with only ~8.5% of the chips in the tournament while 3-handed.


Would you called a raise from the aggressive player at this point?


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The Liberals have been fighting poverty for nearly
a century now. Poverty has won. Give it up already!
"
-- Christopher E. Otwell, 2011 August 24
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When Hope is Lost, listen to this: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hope-is-emo-ipod/id160169398
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Cyrrix_chipset
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Piley
Feb 15 2010, 12:15 AM
Febiv
Feb 14 2010, 07:44 PM
Chris, do you enjoy calling to a showdown and losing almost half the time? You have to know you are beat half of those times, don't you?
In NL Hold`em, it's a lot easier to know if you are a winner or a loser before calling or going to a showdown. In Limit Omaha, H/L it's not simple to know, especially when you go to showdown on a low-draw which will get there from time-to-time.



Afterwards, I went over to the Wolf's Den, and finished 3rd out of 29 players in the NL Hold`em tournament, which gave me a bar tab.



I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't have called all-in on the hand that busted me, but I just want to make sure...


In the Big Blind. 3 players total left. I had a stack of 11k after putting in my Big Blind. Blinds are 1k/2k. The Chip Leader is a complete Rock Garden, and is sitting at ~49k. The other player is in the Small Blind, and is easily the most aggressive player at the table, and has been for the past hour or so. In at least 1/2 of the pots since we were 5 handed, he is raising the bet pre-flop, and is sitting at ~32k currently.


In the Big Blind, I get dealt K-2 Suited in Diamonds. Mr Rock folds predictably. Mr Aggressive raises it to 13k total to put me all-in (my 2k + the remaining 11k). He's done it to me a few times already, but usually on the flop.


After a minute of thinking, I decide to call. My opponent proceeds to flip 5-5. The flops comes out as 3-5-9 rainbow, so I'm basically drawing dead now. Nothing comes to bail me out.


In retrospect, I'm not sure if a Suited-Face card W/bad kicker was good enough to push all-in with only ~8.5% of the chips in the tournament while 3-handed.


Would you called a raise from the aggressive player at this point?

Nope...I would fold it waiting to be the pusher.


With Omaha you show the nuts or fold...I would have folded on the flop because the board paired.
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Quote:
 
In NL Hold`em, it's a lot easier to know if you are a winner or a loser before calling or going to a showdown. In Limit Omaha, H/L it's not simple to know, especially when you go to showdown on a low-draw which will get there from time-to-time.


I disgaree. I refer to Jeremy on this, as he plays more Omaha H/L, but 1 thing he has told me is you either draw to the nuts or have it to stay in. So, 50% losing at showdown would be unacceptable to me.
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- a total of 102 out of 132 (77%)


I was going to do a little post mortem help line on this, until I saw this number. Chris, you are going to have your bankroll ripped out of your ass if you continue to hold such a nosebleed-high flop percentage on a full table game. Come back and talk to me when you have reduced it by AT LEAST 40 points. You cannot tell me that you are keeping 4 hole cards that will connect and hit the flop hard *that often*. You are seeing entirely too many hands. That is all.

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- a total of 102 out of 132 (77%)


I was going to do a little post mortem help line on this, until I saw this number. Chris, you are going to have your bankroll ripped out of your ass if you continue to hold such a nosebleed-high flop percentage on a full table game. Come back and talk to me when you have reduced it by AT LEAST 40 points. You cannot tell me that you are keeping 4 hole cards that will connect and hit the flop hard *that often*. You are seeing entirely too many hands. That is all.

DJINN
Which leads to entirely too many call downs because you *think* you have a good hand. Tighten up some.
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By some he means A Lot
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Feb 16 2010, 11:01 AM
By some he means A Lot
Then by all means, provide me with a link to a graphical Starting Hand chart for Omaha H/L.


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a century now. Poverty has won. Give it up already!
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-- Christopher E. Otwell, 2011 August 24
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Feb 16 2010, 11:14 AM
Cyrrix_chipset
Feb 16 2010, 11:01 AM
By some he means A Lot
Then by all means, provide me with a link to a graphical Starting Hand chart for Omaha H/L.

Wasn't hard.

http://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/Omaha/omaha-hilo-beginners-guide-part-1
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I typed "Omaha Hi Lo" into google, a drop down box filled up with possible endings, with one of which ending with "starting hands". Chose that one, hit enter.

Too me longer to type this than to find that link. :P
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Common Mistakes in Limit Omaha Hi-Lo
Playing too many starting hands.Calling all the way with only a low potential.Seeing flops with four middle cards, like 6-7-8-9.Raising with A-2 in early position and making players fold instead of seeing the flop cheaply with more players in.


Sound familiar?
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