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Penn State Supreme Court rules that Poker is Chance
Topic Started: Apr 10 2010, 09:01 AM (340 Views)
Piley
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http://www.compatiblepoker.com/poker-rumors/pennsylvania-superior-court-overrides-previous-poker-ruling/3551

This could set for a bad trend... They ruled that Poker is predominately Chance, and therefore a means of Illegal Gambling.


Edited by Piley, Apr 16 2010, 07:05 AM.

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Obviously they've never actually played the game or if they did didn't understand how bluffing works in the game. If they did they'd know that its not chance and instead skill that really decides games.
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its enough chance that i can see their ruling.
if it wasn't for chance then people like phil ivey, phil helmuth, dan negraneau would never lose a hand
My deck's so old school, I don't run sleeves
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If it wasn't for chance every pro bowler would bowl 300 every fucking game
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Apr 16 2010, 01:04 AM
If it wasn't for chance every pro bowler would bowl 300 every fucking game
I disagree.

That is like saying every golfer would make birdies on every hole.

There is physical control over bowling, so your statement is incorrect as even pros don't roll the ball perfect every time. ;)

BUT! If it wasn't for chance, those professional Scrabble players would always score the highest total of points.
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Or more specifically....


....if it weren't for random chance being in the game at all, nobody would play it anymore. Just like Chess, Go, or TRAX.

Edited by Piley, Apr 16 2010, 07:05 AM.

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Right and there is chance in every sport out there because we are human.
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Apr 16 2010, 11:04 AM
Right and there is chance in every sport out there because we are human.
But there is "more" chance in some than others.

The issue is, how much chance is needed before a game/ sport because a "game of chance?"
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Febiv
Apr 16 2010, 11:11 AM
Cyrrix_chipset
Apr 16 2010, 11:04 AM
Right and there is chance in every sport out there because we are human.
But there is "more" chance in some than others.

The issue is, how much chance is needed before a game/sport because a "game of chance?"
I assume you meant "becomes" not "because"...


But in any case, that is essence is where the problem lyes. If you can prove that any significant level of chance exists in a game, then you can convince a court of law that it's in essence a "game of chance" or a "game W/chance" which falls under the strickt defination of Gambling. Argueably, nearly every game exists today with some degree of Chance in it, else its popularity will rapidly dissipate because people can't hope to win at all when they play it.


Older, more conservative Judges, will almost universally rule against Poker in that respect, because its a 'Game W/Chance' involved.



I guess, I'm not at all surprised by the end results of these court cases now, based on that logic. Until the US Congress defines Poker as a legal interstate and/or intercountry commerce activity, the local State courts will likely continue to rule against Poker and declare it a Game of Chance or a form of Gambling.



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I assume you meant "becomes" not "because"...


Why yes, but I would suppose you don't want to start this "game" with, do you?

Because, if you do....

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But in any case, that in essence is where the problem lies. If you can prove that any significant level of chance exists in a game, then you can convince a court of law that it's in essence a "game of chance" or a "game W/chance" which falls under the strict definition of Gambling. Arguably, nearly every game that exists today has some degree of Chance in it, else its popularity will rapidly dissipate because people can't hope to win at all when they play it.


I will stop now...just wanted to prove a small point. ;)

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http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/massachusetts-bill-criminalizing-online-poker-sails-through-committee-9571/

Boston may be on the verge of Criminalizing the act of playing Poker today. Vote is expected within a few hours.



Ironically, Barney Frank is their own US Congressman and the man behind leading the charge for regulation of Poker.
Edited by Piley, Apr 16 2010, 11:36 AM.

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Apr 16 2010, 11:34 AM
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/massachusetts-bill-criminalizing-online-poker-sails-through-committee-9571/

Boston may be on the verge of Criminalizing the act of playing Poker today. Vote is expected within a few hours.
Now that would suck if other cities and states follow suit.

I guess buying chips/ cards and poker tables will be outlawed next.

Wow...WTF is our government doing?
Edited by Febiv, Apr 16 2010, 11:35 AM.
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Apr 16 2010, 11:24 AM
[t in any case, that is essence is where the problem lyes.
Assume you mean LIES, not the lye the mineral thing.
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Screw yall! Find a plug-in spell checker for this website already.

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LOL..You spetl Lye correctly fyi!
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