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Heading up to the Creek
Topic Started: May 30 2010, 10:59 AM (561 Views)
Cyrrix_chipset
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I complain, but only to ge it out and move on. Need that outlet.

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Febiv
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Not sure if you saw, but I am pretty sure I can make this. Will need to follow you over though.
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Cyrrix_chipset
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Had not seen. Did you reply to pm on eb?
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The_Immortal_DJINN
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Not blaming the site, don't see where I did. What I did do, was make a sideways comment about "quitting poker all together". And as you can see, I continued to try and make the right plays. We both know I am not quitting poker, but we also both know runs like this are very frustrating.


You didn't blame the site, this response was more towards Jer and his online "success" but more specifically Piley stating that his friend won't play poker any more because "there's no more skill in it". I'm with you, shitty runs and getting cold decked is NOT fun. And getting sucked out when you know you have the best of it blows. The suckouts hurt the best of players the most, because usually they are ahead and it puts their opponent(s) in a position to defy the odds in order to beat them. When they break the odds and spike their underdog draw on the river...it sucks. But if the bad players who make bad decisions couldn't win some of the time, the game wouldn't be worth playing.

Running that same odds-busting scenario a thousand time over and you're going to get close to the same result-----you winning the majority of the time. This is the concept that bad players cannot grasp. They are so wrapped up in their short term result of losing with the best hand in that moment, that they write off the fact that they made a high percentage winning play. It just happened to result in an improbable outcome.

And yes, Jer, it's important to have somplace to vent when these suckouts happen. I'll be here when you start talking nonsense. :-b But both you and Frank are very good players, because I don't see you guys posting every hand that you're winning...remarkably I only get to hear about these anomale beats that you take. I wonder what this forum would look like if you guys started posting every beat you put on your opponents???


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Febiv
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In that MTT, I sucked out a couple times, but that is because my opponent let me. If they check, I see free cards....if they give me the right odds, I call their bet chasing. If at any time they go all in, I will have to believe that I have the best hand to call (unless I am huge over them)....and every time I shoved or called a shove, I felt I had the best hand, and I did at that time.

I was thinking about this on the way to work...which ranks higher on your tilt-o-meter?

A.) Getting called with 5-9 off suit, you have Aces, and they suck out on you?

or,

B.) Getting totally outplayed in a pot?

I will start posting full tourney hand reports if you like Djinn? :P.
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Cyrrix_chipset
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I don't post winning hands because I have too many to post. I also don't want to sound like a bragart. The bad beats are much easier to remember for me. Though if you want to hear that I won a $70 pot with a full house in a 6 card stud game I can add those!

I will add whatever you like just assemble your crew and head down for a great cash game sometime!!!
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The_Immortal_DJINN
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I don't post winning hands because I have too many to post.


DING!!! This is exactly my point. No, I don't want you guys to post every hand you win (unless there is a true lesson to be learned), and the reason why is because there are too many to count. You are winning more than you are losing, which creates an emphasis on the one time that you lose in contrast to all of those times that you win. Hence why it's maddening when it happens.

To quote Rounders: "In Confessions of a Winning Poker Player, Jack King said, "Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."

And Frank - getting outplayed in a pot is infinitely worse than getting sucked out by a donkey in my mind. If I made a high percentage play and a bad player called with a low percentage dog, then I won't lose a second's sleep about it. I made the correct play and he's the one left praying for a mathematical miracle. Getting outplayed in a pot, even if that pot doesn't bust me will indeed leave me thinking about my own play as well as what I might have done differently. There's a lot to be learned from an experience like that. Whereas someone donking off their chips with 5-9, well...my Aces don't get too much better in that kind of a matchup. I'm delighted to see 5-9 flipped over against my aces.

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Febiv
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I am in 100% agreement with the tilt question, for those very same reasons. I have that much confidence in my skill, that someone out playing me could send me right to full tilt, questioning my plays, their plays, rather than being confident in my decisions.

I try not to let it bother me as much as it does, but that is a project still in process. I hate being totally outplayed in a pot. Not just being bluffed off a pot...that happens...but I mean being completely wrong on my read, or second guessing myself due to someone else's play, tilts me like no other. Being completely outplayed makes me briefly question myself, and that tilts me.

My tilt is a bit different than others though...I tighten up...A LOT! It is bad poker, but still better than the other end of the spectrum of tilt. ;)
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