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Dota 2 Weekend!; CAUSE YEAH
Topic Started: Feb 12 2014, 02:32 AM (18,072 Views)
steelfire81
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tfghost92
Jul 22 2014, 09:02 PM
first time as Anti Mage, I did nothing but LH in lane as much as posdible to buy battle fury. I farmed for nothing but Battle Fury. no boots or anything. I got my Battle fury in 18 minutes and 43 seconds. is this normal???? that is so long
Getting Battle Fury in pubs under 20 minutes is an accomplishment. I remember before the GPM changes a couple patches ago average competitive time was ~18 minutes, and you could argue with the strength of pushing in the current metagame and the offlane buffs that it's actually a lot harder to get a fast Battle Fury. 18 minutes and 43 seconds your first time on the hero is pretty good. Of course in pubs it's a lot more variable too because you don't have TI-winning supports behind you.

Even with a slow Battle Fury, though, you can come back. Your low cooldown/manacost Blink and your low base attack time let you clear jungle camps quickly. As a bonus, they also let you split push extremely effectively. Usually, as Darkie pointed out, Anti-Mage isn't a great fighter until he has Battle Fury, Manta, and at least one more item. However, he can force the other team away from fights by pushing lanes and blinking away when a response comes. Then you go back into your jungle for a couple more rounds while you wait for the creeps to come back towards your tower.

Also if you're having trouble farming with just a Battle Fury, you could get a Vlads before your Manta. It delays your ability to fight a little but it makes it much easier to farm and it's usually not too hard to farm up quickly. If it's the farming patterns causing you trouble (i.e. you don't know how to get around the jungle as fast as possible) there's no problem with playing a bot game by yourself and just focusing on maxing your GPM blinking around the jungle.
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first time as Nature's prophet now.



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I ran a carry Sand King game. our late game wrecked them, and then riki got pissed and quit
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Something we've pseudo-practiced but I think it'd be fun (if not actually pretty helpful) is trying to practice teamcomps for level 1 Roshan. A long time Lightning and I did a Level 1 Roshan with Olimar and his friends and it worked like a charm, and I remember Ghost and I practiced Ursa/Wraith King with pretty good success.

The issue is that a comp involving Ursa typically can be a red flag to an opponent who already suspects it, but there are plenty of teamcomps that go for Level 1 Roshan without using Ursa.

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRaA57zjv-U[/utube]

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIgjZIoH3Qc[/utube]

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7A5CpAE5ig[/utube]

For those who have the time to read it, this article on Level 1 Roshan is a pretty good guide on the whole thing, heroes that contribute a lot as well as examples of teamcomps that can pull it off correctly.

For those who aren't willing to read it, basically a hero can be useful to pop Roshan's Spellblock (to make way for a more powerful skill like Visage's Grave Chilld) or provide damage output. Very helpful heroes are those with team-wide auras like Venge, Beastmaster, and Luna, as well as armor reducers like Alchemist, SF (I don't recommend that), Bristleback, etc. Solid tanks would include Lone Druid for the bear, Nature's Prophet, or just reducing Roshan's damage output by Visage's Grave Chill or Tusk's E.

I'd like to practice it because the bonuses are pretty numerous but it takes a good bit of coordination. I think we can pull it off, though.
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Snow, you really need to change your spreadsheet. its worse than mine was. I noticed the issue when I saw you have Skywrath Mage set to comfortable. As far as I know, I am the only person who can Skywrath adequately. I am not even sure Oli is on that level with him yet. I checked your dotabuff records, and you don't even have one pub or bot game in as Skywrath Mage. you currently have more comfortables than any of us except Olinea, and I find that strange. You obviously have comfortables, but there's no way these are all 100% accurate. I trust the spreadsheet a lot before I get into drafting, and I don't know what on yours I can trust and what I can't.
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Skywrath is easy to play.
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LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:34 PM
Skywrath is easy to play.
you remind me so much of my older brother
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tfghost92
Jul 28 2014, 10:36 PM
LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:34 PM
Skywrath is easy to play.
you remind me so much of my older brother
Is he a sexy man?
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LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:37 PM
tfghost92
Jul 28 2014, 10:36 PM
LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:34 PM
Skywrath is easy to play.
you remind me so much of my older brother
Is he a sexy man?
Nope, but that is another great similarity to point out
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tfghost92
Jul 28 2014, 10:38 PM
LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:37 PM
tfghost92
Jul 28 2014, 10:36 PM
LightningBolt
Jul 28 2014, 10:34 PM
Skywrath is easy to play.
you remind me so much of my older brother
Is he a sexy man?
Nope, but that is another great similarity to point out
I'll kill you.
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skywrath noob hero
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It's probably just a semantics thing. To me, "Comfortable" sounds like "I know how this hero works, I know what to include in a core build, and I know where to invest my skill points". Many of my comfort picks are supports, and for the most part, I think it's pretty easy to get to some level of comfort with them. Many buy very similar items (courier, wards, dust, smoke, Arcane Boots, Mek, etc.) early on, and if I somehow amass a large amount of gold, COOL, I'll buy whatever fits the current situation. Carries have more variety with their item builds, which is why I only have a few listed as comforts.

None of this guarantees a high KDA, but I didn't think that was the point of the chart. I thought the chart's purpose was to let people know "Yeah, you can pick this for me, I know what to do". I also don't label all of my unplayed heroes as "uncomfortable" -- I've encountered some enough times without playing them to know their abilities and maybe some items, so they might start on my chart as "Shaky" or even "Doable", as was the case with Sniper until I played him for the first time after ~150 hours of other heroes. I did alright: 7/4/6, 219 LH's, second-highest XPM, highest GPM of the game, which I know isn't that impressive because LH'ing is super easy as Sniper, but anyway, he was as straightforward as I expected, so yes, I upgraded him to comfortable after one game. I usually don't, though. Similarly, if I've played an uncomfortable/shaky hero once or twice, but still don't feel comfortable, I usually put them under "Learning" because, well, that's what I'm doing. "Doable" ones are ones that I understand, but could use some practice -- for example, I have trouble landing Leshrac's W because of the long cast time and short range, and my AA ults can be spotty, so they get a "Doable".

*takes a breath* So yeah, that's how I've been using the chart, but now I'm thinking the rest of you are using it to judge your skill with a hero on a scale from 1-5, with 5 meaning "Master" rather than "Comfortable" and 1 being "Only played a few times" rather than "holy shit what's a wex how do I boulder what do you mean there are four Meepos". I can go through and reevaluate my column if that's how the rest of you are looking at it, but using my ideas of "comfort", I was honest on all of them.

Also, I've definitely played Skywrath in bots. It's been a very long time since I have, so maybe it was before I made a Dotabuff account, but I know I've played him. Since then, I've seen a ton of Skywraths, so I didn't just forget everything. I'm sure you're a better Skywrath than I am, but again, I didn't think the chart measured "skill" so much as it measures "familiarity". I know this is a long post, but I'm not trying to be argumentative, just explaining my thought process, which often requires a lot of explaining.
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I looked at it in a combination of both ways you mentioned. Obviously I'm not supermegaawesome with the guys I list as 'comfortable', I just mean I'm capable and understand the point of the Hero in question.
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