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| Topic Started: Feb 12 2014, 02:32 AM (18,042 Views) | |
| dwestfan13 | May 12 2015, 06:54 PM Post #766 |
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So yeah, I cannot play with Sarge anymore. I don't care if he doesn't 'intend' to be a condescending prick, the fact of the matter is that he is, indeed, a condescending prick. So if he's involved in any way, shape, or form, I will respectfully decline to play. |
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| Olinea | May 12 2015, 07:27 PM Post #767 |
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No finesse
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That's more than fair to me. I only tangentially know the guy because he tried to start some TF2 club thing at a time when I wasn't really interested in the game anyways, never removed him off my Steam friends, and then we played a few games together. I'm not quite at the point where I'll adopt the same policy for myself but I'll choose playing with you 10 times out of 10. |
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| dwestfan13 | May 13 2015, 07:43 AM Post #768 |
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Didn't mean to leave. Computer decided right then was a good time to randomly shut down. Love it when that happens. |
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| Olinea | May 14 2015, 08:57 AM Post #769 |
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No finesse
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I like when we have discussions on here that have us talk about the theory behind the game, so let's try another one. Basically, I'll start with a hero, and the next poster names a hero or item that counters that hero - the next poster says what counters that , etc. Try and explain your choice, as well as being creative about how you go about countering it. Doom and BKB are always obvious choices to shut down stuff, but the point is to think about what makes a hero strong and find a way to deal with it properly. To start with, let's go with our good friend from last patch Sniper. Shrapnel may have been nerfed but his core strengths are still there - Sniper is a hero that can be dominant at all stages of the game by abusing his huge range and carrying a team if allowed to hang back and pump out more than respectable DPS while keeping enemies at bay. What's your hero for dealing with Sniper? |
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| cscrocker | May 14 2015, 11:02 AM Post #770 |
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Ang tanging Pilipino sa forum na ito
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I like to go with heroes who can go in up close and personal to Sniper because I believe that Sniper players like to just kick back and right-click foes from a very safe distance but when a hero suddenly appears next to him, you take them out of their comfort zone. My favorite counter would be Phantom Assassin. She goes in close to Sniper and with luck, can take him down with 2-3 critical strikes (also given that Mask of Madness is now a common item for Snipers.) Of course, there's her evasion so Snipers have to get MKB as opposed to other damage items like a Daedelus. |
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| dwestfan13 | May 14 2015, 07:14 PM Post #771 |
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Anybody with a Blink or Invis capabilities like PA/AM/Weaver/Riki that can close gaps quickly. A Void can also shut down a Sniper pretty well since Chrono interrupts Shadow Blade and Sniper is an easy solo kill for Void. To a lesser extent, SB works for closing the distance but can also then be double-countered by a lucky headshot if the Sniper sees him coming. |
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| tfghost92 | May 14 2015, 09:09 PM Post #772 |
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swag on this dick, bitches
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I got my compendium! I recieved the Sniper and Magnus taunts, and got the Spirit Breaker immortal treasure |
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| DarkFlashlight | May 14 2015, 10:51 PM Post #773 |
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it will take a toll
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I'll trade Dwest Bat for SF and Ghost Sky for Magnus, if they're even tradable idk. I agree with csc that PA is probably the end-all Sniper counter since she has a spammable Blink that isn't reset by taking damage (which is a big problem against Sniper), does hilarious amounts of damage, and Blur naturally counters him, but special shout out to Tusk who can literally bring an entire team directly to Sniper's feet while also stunning him. So switching to PA counters, I'm gonna say Razor. Blink Strike has a low CD but not low enough that you can blink in, get Static Linked, and then blink out of its range before it destroys your damage pool. Eye of the Storm and Static Link both pierce BKB, which most PA's will spend almost 4000 gold on, and Eye of the Storm isn't affected by Blur, so even without MKB you can deal hella damage with ult, especially with Agh's. Plus reducing armor against an agi hero is always useful for when your autos don't get Blurred. |
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| LightningBolt | May 15 2015, 12:02 AM Post #774 |
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Boring Person
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I think these kinds of discussions are difficult because you very rarely have a hero that counters another so heavily that you can't build an effective build that gives you a standing chance. A counter like Earthshaker against Phantom Lancer is rare. PA is good against Sniper, but if the game goes late enough the Sniper is still entirely capable of running a train on that PA. A Sniper build that's something like BKB/MKB/Mjollnir/Daedalus/Skadi is a pretty standard one and the BKB/MKB combo counters PA pretty hard and keeps her from blinking onto Sniper and that Sniper has enough DPS to kill PA very quickly. Of course, these matches never happen in a vacuum and if you drafted well enough and you play with half decent positioning, that PA will be locked down pretty hard before either of them get BKBs (and Sniper on the other hand is hard to lock down since he's standing so far away from the action). Razor's a good PA counter. Probably a good counter to most any auto-attack melee carry. Drow and Sniper are two that would do well against a Razor later in the game. Their attack ranges are long enough and played with good positioning they won't have to worry about Static Link nearly as much as any melee carry would. Any carry or semi-carry that's hard to pin down or get close to would be a pretty good pick against Razor since it makes it much more difficult for him to do what he's good at doing. Storm Spirit and Weaver would probably be good, too, once Weaver gets that Linkens. Also carries who don't rely much on physical damage (Huskar, Meepo), and then you have Juggernaut who I'm guessing breaks the static link if he ults but I'm not sure that's the case. Razor in general is a hero that relies on removing an enemy hero's impact with static link and using that damage for himself, and all of those heroes make it difficult to do that. In the interest of furthering this I'd pick Storm Spirit. Edited by LightningBolt, May 15 2015, 12:04 AM.
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| Olinea | May 15 2015, 12:16 AM Post #775 |
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No finesse
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For Storm counters my first thought is PL. Storm can't afford to zip in and unload his Orchid/Electric Vortex on a single target and have it turn out to be an illusion, so his options are limited, and it usually comes down to when PL is seen alone, which is still a risky move. Manta instantly removes Orchid or can be used as soon as Storm is seen jumping in, and Diffusal eats away at Storm's precious mana if he chooses to stick around. Storm also has problems with consistently clearing out illusions - Remnant is spammable and all, but only so effective. In the midgame when Storm's attempting to get nice and fed, PL probably isn't going to be decked out with those core items, but PL's tendency to make you second-guess "is he even really there?" basically makes Storm's job a LOT harder. |
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| tfghost92 | May 15 2015, 12:36 AM Post #776 |
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swag on this dick, bitches
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it says not until August 31st but you can use them beforehand and still trade so if yu want to when the time comes we still can |
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| DarkFlashlight | May 15 2015, 12:52 AM Post #777 |
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it will take a toll
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I actually don't think it does. Astral Imprisonment and Disruption don't end it; only killing one of the heroes or getting out of range does afaik. I guess Sven is my go-to PL counter. Earthshaker is the obvious one, but if ES can't combo PL into instadeath, he's gonna get obliterated as soon as he's out of spells, and will probably be out of mana by time anything comes off CD. Sven doesn't need mana, cleaves the shit out of those dumb illusions, and is tanky enough that PL can't slaughter him in half a second. Disjointing the stun is the only thing you have to worry about. Shout out to Sky, assuming PL doesn't have Manta. Bait Doppelganger, use Concussive Shot to identify the real PL, instantly silence, and then eviscerate him. EDIT: My challenge hero is Lesh and the 10 Hero Challenge is: Treant, Tiny, Magnus, Mirana, Oracle, Clock, Clinkz, Troll, Lina, Ogre. Those are all doable except Treant is just a terrible hero and I never really learned how to play Oracle. Edited by DarkFlashlight, May 15 2015, 02:09 AM.
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| dwestfan13 | May 15 2015, 02:57 AM Post #778 |
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You shut your whore mouth |
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| tfghost92 | May 15 2015, 03:14 AM Post #779 |
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swag on this dick, bitches
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get online loser, we're playing |
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| dwestfan13 | May 15 2015, 04:11 AM Post #780 |
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I'm kind of at work. |
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