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GH/RB Discussion: DLC for 11/4; HERE COMES JOHNNY YEN AGAIN
Topic Started: Feb 10 2011, 08:11 PM (31,821 Views)
CALJR_8760
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Hero_Live

I'm actually looking a bit of the songs, some of the stuff guitar hero typically doesn't get and the 90s band stuff like pearl jam and soundgarden. Also love the queen choice

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I'm really diggin the set list. Each time new 10 songs are unveiled, I seem to get 4-5 that I really like. I'll take a 50% ratio all day. Looking forward to this.
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I feel like for both games, they got some legit artists that would be fun to play with but they drop the ball sometimes on song choice. GH is more of an offender in this regard than RB is so far though. idk if I'd get either game right now.
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/5/8735333/dj-hero-rock-bank-drm

Relevant to our interests, and probably the real reason PC doesn't get these games. Once one enterprising cracker rips these files, well, the internet has them. We don't have to do more than click a few buttons after the DRM has been broken and the files have been leaked.

I feel there's little to no reason to pirate most music in 2015 (video game OSTs are the only exception for me - the price is often insane) because albums are cheap and streaming is free on many sites, but I guess the music industry disagrees with me.
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New songs announced for RB4.

"Violent Shiver"- Benjamin Booker
"Suspicious Minds" - Elvis Presley
"Uptown Funk" - Mark Ronson ft. Bruno Mars
"My God Is The Sun" - Queens of the Stone Age
"The Warrior" - Scandal

I like them all. Especially "The Warrior."
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/16/8790071/guitar-hero-live-preview-guitar-hero-tv-e3-2015

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This game could have the best setlist/graphics/mechanics of all time and I wouldn't buy it because of this DRM-by-another-name. If this game bombs, which I think it will, Activision will probably shut the servers down and give you no way to play offline because fuck you and fuck gamers. The microtransactions don't help either, but they aren't anywhere near as cancerous to this industry as always online is.

Fuck this game and fuck Activision.
Edited by Romanticide, Jun 18 2015, 02:37 AM.
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LOL that article. good try good effort. officially not buying
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Meh, I honestly don't care. I'll still buy it. Not the preferred to have it exclusively in the cloud but whatever. It's the way it is.
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Eh. If it was always online just to play the game I'd be mad. At this moment i don't know how i feel about it. In a way it sucks if you just want to go in and play songs you own. But i can see the appeal if you don't plan on buying any songs and just want to play whatever you can for free. The lack of legit dlc sucks, but the free access to all ofbthe songs atbrandom is really cool. If you could download the songs you pay for then this would honestly be the coolest thing these games have done in a long time. At this point its more of a based on the individual person basis
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Yeah, I mean there will still be probably a big set list of on-disc songs. At any rate, all of the micro transactions are not REQUIRED to play any of the HUNDREDS of songs available at launch. You can use in game tokens earned by just playing the damn game to purchase the ones you like permanently (a feature that article conveniently left out). So basically, you can buy the songs you love with in game currency = free new songs. That's pretty awesome. Because, realistically, $5.99 for a three song pack is dumb. I would rather have free content and have the risk of the plug being pulled than pay every time that new pack comes out. Considering that $99 is the price of admission, it's not that bad honestly.

Not much difference buying a multiplayer shooter like Titanfall or something and you pray that the player base stays alive or your investment goes away because you can't get into a game. It's a risk you take.

The positive is that you can get so much content for free, you don't NEED to use micro transactions, and you get new songs continually with music across all genres. That's pretty sick.

In the end, to me anyway, it'll take me a days work to pay for GHL. If I can get music for free for even a year or two (IF it shuts off, you don't know that it will) then I will consider that a great investment considering how often I guarantee I will play.
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I've tried finding on their official site and videos where exactly it says that you can use the points you earn in-game to permanently buy songs, and I'm not able to find anything. Everything I find does say, however, that real money must be used to have the songs permanently. You can only use the points to rent a song for one play, an "on-demand" system.

That's the inherent problem with it being on the cloud. Once the servers go down, that's it. You'll never get to play those songs that you bought again.

And I can assure you that the renting fee will be high enough to where it'll be inconvenient to just rent forever. Music licensing is expensive, and they're not gonna just give you these songs out of the kindness of their heart. They're gonna want to make money, and they're definitely not gonna release it with a system that is easy to exploit.

You may be okay with throwing your money at Activision like this, and that's your choice. I, and many others, do not approve of DRM bullshit like this to be in games and will refuse to support games that do this. ESPECIALLY since there is an alternative option out there, Rock Band 4, that doesn't do this at all and is letting me import all of the content that I've already bought for no additional charge. That is how you handle DLC.

Edit: Also, this nice little tidbit comes from GH Live's official site, all the way at the bottom:
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ACTIVISION MAKES NO GUARANTEES REGARDING THE AVAILABILITY OF ONLINE PLAY OR FEATURES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION GHTV, AND MAY MODIFY OR DISCONTINUE ONLINE SERVICES IN ITS DISCRETION WITHOUT NOTICE.
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It's not *throwing* my money at Activision. I just don't give a crap. If something looks fun to me and I don't feel inherently uneasy about it, I'll buy it. Life is way too short, in my opinion, to feel like I shouldn't buy a a freaking guitar video game because I may not be able to play it two years from now. Chances are I won't play music games two years from now, but I want to right this moment. I won't let things stop me. Tomb Raider looks fun to me so I'll buy it. Witcher looked fun so I got it. Batman looks fun so I'll get it. Video games mean a lot to me because they've entertained me since I was 5. 17 years later and they still do, and I will purchase the games that make me happy and forget about life. I'm not here to make statements about life or business models, so I resent the money throwing comment. I'm in it to have fun, no I don't like shady business stuff but it's just the way it is. Idk if I'm making sense or not but there's how I feel on it.
Edited by DucksFAN93, Jun 18 2015, 06:04 AM.
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DAT STORY TIEM

If you tell a company that it's okay to take your purchases away from you at literally any time it's not being profitable for them, gaming as a whole takes a step backwards. Gamers told Microsoft that Xbox One's always online stuff was unacceptable and they've made huge efforts to improve that. If we don't vote with our wallet for improvement then, well, how do we expect our games to improve? Games companies aren't going to keep up these servers out of the kindness of their heart. Companies are here to make money and as soon as GHLive stops being profitable, don't be surprised when the plug is pulled and your purchases stop working. Stuff like this scares me as if we continue to allow game companies to adopt bullshit practices then the industry doesn't advance for us as consumers, it goes backwards. I just can't wait until we're paying companies to make the games they then sell to us as a regular thing.


ANYWAY on the subject of the game, I'm just a little bit confused. I mean, Activision have to know this game isn't going to do well, right? Like, online issues aside, asking people to buy a new instrument while the oversaturation of rhythm games is still fresh in gamers' minds. I adore Rock Band but I mean I'm not going to buy new instruments just to play Rock Band 4 (thankfully Microsoft have made an Xbone worth owning for me now though <3) when there are much cheaper games on the market. Activision are asking consumers to buy a new instrument and invest in a game with an experimental concept for a second time.

I also never understood the whole "feel like a rockstar" thing. I've been on stage in front of cheering people, sweat everywhere and pounding my drums in and it feels absolutely amazing. It also does not feel anything at all like slapping a plastic kit in my living room. Playing Guitar Hero or Rock Band has never and will never make me "feel like a rockstar" so this attempt to immerse me in the experience or whatever is just ultimately doomed for failure... I think? I know Volt said that she likes to get really into it when she plays sometimes. When I just listen to songs I like normally I can get into it and headbang/enjoy it with friends and I'm the same in GH/RB. There's something incredibly fucking cool about playing along with a song but it doesn't make me feel like I'm on stage or anything like that, regardless of how big a fake crowd you put on the screen for me. Maybe that's different for me but it's definitely a turnoff with this game for me. GH/RB have always just been games to me with a nice gimmick, not a music simulator or anything like that.


Basically this game is doomed to fail for several reasons, always online being a small one comparatively, and I don't think RB4 will do much better. GH/RB are still in the "hey, that was fun but nahhh" mindset for most people - maybe in a year or two it would have worked out but eh. I hope I'm proven wrong, we all love this genre and I'd love to see it come back proper again.

apologies for the ramble
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That's definitely true for both of them. They should've waited a couple more years. It's not like either company didn't have something bringing cash in.

My whole thing is that at this point I'd rather get guitar hero live because i can't see myself paying outside of the initial price. I just don't game like i used, especially not rhythm games, so i dont see myself spending 2 dollars on a song I'll play a few times, especially since i have no one to play work anymore. Plus my music interests have expanded so playing random songs wouldn't bother me.

Still though, I'm still not sure about either game. Rock band is so much of an investment and guitar hero looks like a hit or miss.
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I feel like I'm picking on Ducks, but it's easier to respond to his points because it won't be "lol I agree".

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Not much difference buying a multiplayer shooter like Titanfall or something and you pray that the player base stays alive or your investment goes away because you can't get into a game. It's a risk you take.

I suppose this is true, but it's not a risk I'm willing to take.

There are reasons I put up with owning nothing on Spotify, Crunchyroll, Funimation, or anything else I might use to stream on occasion. They're all convenient services that have free options, they have a lot of stuff for me to enjoy, and I'm practically assured they won't go away in 2-3 years or something. That is the antithesis of this game.

Convenient? If you're willing to pay money to access the songs at any time, it's arguably "convenient", but if not, you're stuck playing them whenever the game says you can. I suppose the closest equivalent is Pandora, but we didn't pay $100 for a game and a peripheral to use it and we can at least tailor Pandora to our liking by picking out the setlist we're going to listen to and rating songs. GHTV might have a lot of songs to enjoy, but until we have the game, who knows? They can say they'll have "hundreds" of songs to hype this game, but I won't believe that until I see it. Activision doesn't have my trust like Harmonix would, let alone someone like Atlus. It'll also be a lot more work to bring us those songs than it would be to bring us media on other streaming services, so in the long run we'll most likely get less.

As for the songs, the article makes it seem like you can pay for them and then access them on the cloud at any time. That *sounds* nice because who wants their HDD eaten up by lots of DLC, but in reality it makes the songs a glorified rental. If this game bombs (again, I think it will) or if Activision can't re-license the songs, you'll lose them. I'm willing to lose access to a show or a song or whatever because I'm not paying for that item in particular; I am paying for the service as a whole, as opposed to an individual song.

This point might not matter much to you. However, there are a lot of people out there who value being able to access a product they paid money for, and they should be able to even if Activision stops supporting the game. I don't think this is a controversial stance to take. If Activision allows you to download songs when this game ends, I guess that'd be fine. But it comes down to trust, and again, I don't have it for Activision.

Also, all of these services are on *PC*. This is not a "consoles suck" point, I'd like to clarify that right now. What I mean is that PC will always be supported until we invent a universal device that's better than the PC. We probably will and it will probably be portable. But right now, PC is king if you want a device that can do everything, and it won't be overhauled to such an extent that we have to consider it a new platform anytime soon. Consoles? They get remade every 5-7 years, and if Activision wants this to become a platform that transcends hardware, they'll have to rebuild from the ground up unless the architecture/coding is very similar for the XB1/PS4's successors. They might even have to re-license all the music depending on the contracts, though I hope both companies have learned from past mistakes in that area.

This is all to say: I don't know if it'll stick around or if it'll be any good. That's a big reason for my anger and trepidation, though not the only one or the biggest one. The biggest one is simply that I value being able to access what I paid to have access to. I might never come back to it, but I still want the choice. It's mine, not theirs.


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If I can get music for free for even a year or two (IF it shuts off, you don't know that it will) then I will consider that a great investment considering how often I guarantee I will play.

You're right, I don't know that. Maybe this game will be a success and it'll ensure that Activision puts in the effort to make GHTV a great platform.

I just don't think it'll be; the gaming landscape has changed a lot since rhythm games were a huge thing. Dedicated players are perfectly willing to pay $100 for a game and a peripheral if that game is good, but they cannot sustain a property with this much ambition/cost alone. AAA gaming is dependent upon casual gamers, whether or not we like to admit that. Will they flock to a $100 product in an age of freemium? Even if there is still a market for this type of game, who's to say the dollars won't go to Rock Band instead? Right now, Rock Band seems to be offering the better product in terms of music, gameplay, and price. If I had a system for RB, I'd be getting RB to relive the old days, but I don't and have no plans to. I'm not sure there's a market for this product outside of the dedicated. More casual players still have some idea that rhythm games were a thing and they had fun, but they also remember the market was saturated. Do we trust Activision of all companies to have learned and not saturate the market again?

(Let's not pretend Harmonix was innocent, either, even if many of us are Rock Band fans. Three band-centric titles, Rock Band Blitz, and Rock Band Unplugged were all things. They weren't the biggest contributor to the genre's demise, but they didn't help, either.)


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I'm not here to make statements about life or business models, so I resent the money throwing comment. I'm in it to have fun, no I don't like shady business stuff but it's just the way it is. Idk if I'm making sense or not but there's how I feel on it.

Like it or not, every purchase is a statement. I'm not the biggest fan of McD's out there, but when I pay for their food, I am implicitly saying I'm okay with their food, their labor practices, how they spend the money I just gave them, and the list probably goes on. Buying this game is an implicit statement that you're okay with the possibility that songs you paid for will disappear, and an implicit statement to other companies that it's okay to try something that might be worse.

I'd bet I'm going to get "SLIPPERY SLOPE FALLACY" after that point, but we should know by now that if you give this industry an inch, they will take a mile. See: The original Xbox One, season passes, microtransactions, so on and so forth. They're here to make money. Anything else (great games, inspiring passion in fans, etcetera) is a bonus that allows them to keep making money.

You don't have to think about any of this. I can understand that desire, because if you think about everything, you see problems everywhere. Much easier to ignore it when it "doesn't really matter", like with video games. After all, we have disposable income and can afford to think about something this trivial (in the big picture) in-depth. This is exactly the attitude that has allowed publishers to run roughshod over us and our consumer rights. Nobody cares because games are seen as toys and we have the money. It doesn't help that games aren't seen as a mature medium artistically, but that's a different discussion.
Edited by Romanticide, Jun 18 2015, 09:50 PM.
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