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| Topic Started: Feb 12 2013, 11:05 PM (5,315 Views) | |
| MrMarill | Nov 30 2013, 01:13 AM Post #121 |
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Smogon are suspect testing Gengarite. EDIT: Should probably add my thoughts. Shit needs banned. Has too many sets, Perish Song/Taunt/Shadow Tag should never be available together. It just has SO many options that you can't possibly prepare for them all and it can literally kill everything in the entire game with just one free turn. Edited by MrMarill, Nov 30 2013, 01:59 AM.
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| Romanticide | Dec 25 2013, 11:19 PM Post #122 |
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Cult Leader
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http://tay.kotaku.com/pokebank-hilariously-fails-to-stop-hacked-pokemon-1489449874 good job game freak good effort I'm obviously not going to be sending hacked Pokemon over, but this is laughable. |
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| Olinea | Dec 26 2013, 04:45 AM Post #123 |
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No finesse
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Braved the GTS and now have every starter, including post bank ones. I can breed any of them for you. |
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| MrMarill | Dec 26 2013, 11:23 AM Post #124 |
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That's embarrassing but good for me. I have some stuff that's obviously hacked I wanna use but if it doesn't catch stuff like that then I'm just going to hack all my teams pre-Gen 6. Down with breeding and all that, no point spending hours breeding for a team if Nintendo don't care. You'd honestly think that, before release, they would be designing it specifically to check everything that's possible and not. My friend has a Level 50 Darkrai he met at Level 40 with Haze. Darkrai can only be found at Level 50 and learns Haze at 57. Will be interesting to see if, when he deletes Haze, it'll go over. |
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| Granskjegg | Dec 26 2013, 12:19 PM Post #125 |
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Eg e husfar.
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1st gen starters <33333333 I almost want the three original starters in my party for my first playthrough, but I think it would be better to explore the new pokemanz. :p |
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| MrMarill | Dec 26 2013, 04:05 PM Post #126 |
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So uh I've been hacking stuff all morning. Anyone have any requests? Anything physically possible to obtain in-game is doable, so no Contrary Smugsnake or Level 1 Mews. |
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| LightningBolt | Jan 1 2014, 07:13 AM Post #127 |
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I beat the game a few hours ago, so I thought I'd post some thoughts on it. Overall I loved the main game. A lot of the changes just really gave this game a breath of fresh air that the series really needed, in my opinion. For starters, the new graphics look awesome. It's a recurring thing with 3DS screenshots to look absolutely horrible, so I was a bit scared going into the game that it'd be pretty ugly. It's not at all. The new graphics are great. The only time where they got on my nerves was in Lumiose City, which I think has some pretty big camera issues in general. The only way I can travel in Lumiose City is with the rollerblades. Anything else is borderline unbearable. I loved how many Pokemon were obtainable during the main game here. I'm not sure of the exact number available, but I think there is something like 450 Pokemon across the three regional Pokedexes. I thought that was awesome, and I kept thinking to myself "man I want to use that on my next playthrough" throughout the game. Also, I didn't run into a single Zubat in this game until I went back shortly after the Elite Four in an attempt to run into one on purpose. That's massive praise for any Pokemon game right there. The actual story of the game was a mixed bag. Some of the scenes were very cinematic, which was neat from a Pokemon game. Unfortunately, those scenes stuck out like a sore thumb, which speaks to the level of the story outside of them. For the most part, it was typical Pokemon. I know the typical response is "what do you expect from Pokemon?" or "it's a kids game", but I think there's a fairly large space between where Pokemon is and where "too mature for a child audience" that Pokemon could try moving to. It's not difficult to find stories in this world that have an intended audience for children but still manage to resonate with more mature audiences. Pokemon is not one of those. I don't expect greatness from Pokemon in the story, but the fact is that I expect virtually nothing from Pokemon in the story as it currently stands, which isn't a good thing. Really just fleshing out the events that are actually included would go a long ways in improving that part of the experience. I don't even know how to begin to describe how they could do this because there are just so many simple ways to do so. In particular, I thought Team Flare was terrible. I thought it was neat that they actually made Team Flare like a legit thing in the Kalos area that normal people were aware of and didn't fear or anything. They were like a group people joined. But I still don't know anything about them at all other than some vague thing about things being beautiful or something. Lysandre was inconsistent, too. They probably weren't any worse than your typical Pokemon bad guys, and maybe I'm just now realizing how bad Game Freak actually is at writing in general, but c'mon this is barely even trying. The music in the game stood out as especially good for a Pokemon game. I don't think it's a series that has historically had particularly good music, but there were a couple of background songs in this one that were top-notch. I agree with Marill's previous opinion that the pacing in this game wasn't very good. It fell into a problem that's really always been an issue for Pokemon in that you knocked at least half of the gyms right in a row without much happening in-between. It may have been even worse than ever in this game, since you seemed to rip right through gyms 3-7 without much break. I also thought the pacing with the conflict involving Team Flare was really strange, but I can't put my finger on why I felt that way. I thought the difficulty in this game was pretty solid. I didn't use the Exp Share because I heard people saying they were multiple levels above the Champ's Pokemon, and I wanted no part of that. Without using the Exp Share and relying on Oli for a pretty decent stream of Exp O Powers, I thought I was at a solid level compared to opponents. There was a part towards the end where I was a bit higher on average than the 1-Pokemon trainers (how I generally judge how I'm leveled compared to an area; I like to be right below or right at the level of those Pokemon, and that's on the high end). They also seemed to introduce some Pokemon earlier than I would've been used to seeing them. Pokemon like Throh/Sawk, Machoke, Lucario, Gardevoir, Vespiquen, and a couple of others were introduced early-ish in the game as opponents and they certainly weren't a cake walk. So I thought the difficulty of average trainers was at a near perfect level. The gym leaders and Pokemon League were a completely different story, though. Both were way too easy. There were normal trainers that gave me a bigger pain in the ass than some of the gym leaders did. The first gym leader was the only one that had a Pokemon where I reacted "oh crap this could get bad." Pretty much every single other leader was a pushover. The Elite Four was extremely easy as well, save for one member that had a type that my team just was poorly equipped to handle. The move from five Pokemon to four is a really weak move considering the Pokemon they actually had seemed really unintimidating. The Champ was no exception. A pretty easy battle, and while I liked the fit of the last Pokemon thematically, it was a breeze to beat. Certainly didn't live up to some of the more recent ones like Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. While most things in Pokemon have trended in a very positive direction since the first game(s), the Pokemon League isn't one of them, in my opinion. Also, while I haven't really looked around much since beating the Pokemon League, this post-game seems weak. I mean you can do the typical "catch 'em all" thing, or the Battle Maison, or breeding a competitive team, but I consider those things to kind of be the bare minimum I'd expect to find in a Pokemon post-game. Besides a supposedly short little series of events, there's nothing else. This is disappointing for me. I feel like I've done a disproportionate amount of complaining in this post compared to how I actually feel about the game. I loved it. It's my favorite games since Ruby/Sapphire based on the main game. Like I said, the changes just made it feel fresh and I really hope we see a Gen 3 remake in this style. But it did have problems, the worst one being the writing in this game (which is a problem for every Pokemon game ever made, clearly, and no I don't just write it off as "it's for kids"), but the worst one that I didn't already expect being the difficulty of the battles that are supposed to be the most difficult in the game. I also think getting the game 2+ months after release was a really bad move, but that was more-or-less out of my hands. I loved how the online stuff seemed so smoothly integrated into your typical playing in this game, and the easy-to-access stuff like O Powers, Wonder Trades, Link Battles, and other stuff really adds to the experience. Being able to experience this with more people in the midst of playing alongside me would have enhanced the experience a lot. As it was, Oli was the only one consistently on as I played, with a handful of appearances from Ro towards the end. But yeah, game's cool and shit. |
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| MrMarill | Jan 2 2014, 12:08 AM Post #128 |
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Yeah I basically agree with everything. I mean my review was really negative and then a high score because I mean there's only so many ways you can say "yeah it was good". It does just feel really fresh for Pokemon but the main game has so many issues it's not one I look forward to revisiting unlike D/P or G/S. I've managed to get a lot of hours out of just doing random shit but the game desperately needed a Mega Stone quest. I'm sorry, but unlocking them for an hour and making you just wonder around Kalos hoping to find them - one's in a gym for fuck sake - is just not on. Just a mini side story for each one and hints or w/e with a cool battle against said Mega would have been really nice but nope. All of this, though, makes me really excited for Pokemon Z, to be honest. |
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| Romanticide | Jan 2 2014, 12:17 AM Post #129 |
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I know I've said this before, but it feels like I like the game in large part because I can do online stuffs. Being able to use O-Powers to help people out, trading Pokemon, battling people... Those are things I couldn't *do* pre-gen 6, because I never had anyone to play with even if I did own a GB/A (gens 1-3) or the DS didn't play nice with my wireless (gens 4-5). If I weren't able to get online, I feel this would be a gigantic waste of my $40, because X/Y don't have the things we've come to expect from Pokemon in its post-game. The only new place is Kiloude Town, which has nearly all the post-game stuff. Booooooooooooooring. I hope this lack of a post-game is because they were learning the new hardware or something. I can only hope that Z (if it's going to be a thing) or gen 7 have more of what we've come to expect in the post-game: new routes, towns, dungeons, Elite 4 rematch teams, etc. As far as the story goes, I'd agree. Team Flare has no motivation beyond "beauty", but their plan involves a fucking superweapon, which will presumably annihilate many things that they would find beautiful - natural or man-made. A child can see the flaw with this plan, which might be what they're going for, but it makes Lysandre/the whole team look incredibly stupid. Every other team/leader had motivations that you came to understand throughout the game, even if they were flawed motivations. Yeah, the game is written "for kids", but Black/White had a decent story. Having the best story in Pokemon doesn't take much, but it was good regardless. We went from that story to the lackluster efforts of Black/White 2 and now X/Y. Yuck. Dismissing the games as "for kids" is basically saying that kids are too fucking stupid to understand a more complex plot. I think that line of reasoning is underestimating them. It also lets off bad writing, which is the last thing we need to be doing in a medium starved for good writing. While I don't think Pokemon really needs much in the way of a story to be enjoyable (at its core it's just a kid going off on an adventure), but it can only help if the plot is better than what we've been getting. My big gripe would probably be that it's always using Pokemon to save the world. Idk, I'd probably like something on a less "epic" scale, though becoming Champion is itself pretty epic. But yeah, I agree with everything in that post. Edited by Romanticide, Jan 2 2014, 12:25 AM.
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| LightningBolt | Jan 2 2014, 12:39 AM Post #130 |
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I feel that becoming the Champion is actually the thing that probably needs the most work, writing-wise. I feel like, in Gen 1, they referenced becoming the Champ somewhat often since you were pretty much racing your rival to do that. I don't think any other game really even makes much reference to the Pokemon League at all since then during the main game. Maybe a couple of comments, but you'd think it would be a larger part of the story. I mean, beating the Champ is basically beating the main game. I've said this before, but I remember playing Pokemon Gold for the first time (my first Pokemon game), and I didn't even know what the Pokemon League was when I got there. |
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| MrMarill | Jan 2 2014, 02:21 AM Post #131 |
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I agree there. I mean the Pokemon world socially is very much driven by battling so you'd think that there'd be a huge emphasis on the Champion and everything to do with them and having this dream of one day becoming that. I'm all for the Champion being a surprise like Cynthia or whatever but I would appreciate either more relevance to the plot - two scenes, Diantha!? - but I'd also appreciate people idolising the Champion if they are revealed like Alder in B/W. |
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| Granskjegg | Jan 4 2014, 06:11 PM Post #132 |
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Eg e husfar.
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Does anyone here want to trade me a Larvitar? I could trade back an Aron if you'd like. Not sure how you actually trade in X&Y yet though, but I guess it's pretty easy to trade with friends. Asfor the nature...it doesn't really matter as long as it reduces special attack and boosts something else. |
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| LightningBolt | Jan 4 2014, 07:28 PM Post #133 |
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I'll get on that. |
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| LightningBolt | Jan 4 2014, 07:56 PM Post #134 |
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I have a Larvitar ready to go (nature raises Attack and lowers Sp. Atk). I can trade whenever. Edited by LightningBolt, Jan 4 2014, 08:00 PM.
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| Granskjegg | Jan 4 2014, 08:10 PM Post #135 |
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Eg e husfar.
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