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Civilization Weekend!; Not actually a weekend, but I like "Weekend" at the end of it.
Topic Started: Aug 12 2014, 08:52 PM (2,980 Views)
Olinea
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(Apologies to those who don't play Civ and therefore have to repeatedly open and close this thread, but it is a great game)

Welcome to the Civ thread, all 3-4 of you who care! I tend to open it up after our sessions of Dota, when everyone else has gone to bed but I still have the benefit of my west coast timezone and who goes to bed at such a ridiculously early hour as 2:00 AM?

Currently foraying into the King difficulty after my Spain game made me realize I'm probably above Prince now. Wanting to try all of the civs in the game I've picked up Portugal for this run, in preparation for when I do decide to try Venice.

So far the map is pretty... idk. "Resource-rich", I guess.

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I think this thread would serve as a good place to post what DLC we have, so it's easier to tailor multiplayer games to what we have. I do feel ghost needs BNW, but even playing G&K would be an improvement over vanilla. >.>

I haz:

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Also, considering our game last night, I figure both you and ghost (probably more so ghost) could use help on what I'd consider the basics. Because this is me, strap yourselves in for a loooooooong post. I assume BNW, standard speed, and not-large/huge maps.

There's even more I could say but this post hits on stuff that will apply most every game.


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Skimpy DLC list, but I feel the only other two I still really feel I'm missing out on by not having are Denmark (which is super meh anyways) and GNK, which I do want.

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Great Lighthouse was a mistake last night but I think it'd have been better if Russia hadn't decided to attack me. So now it's on.
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I hope we can get back to that game later on. I'd fire it up now but I have some things to do, so I'll wait an hour or two. It's been a while since I've played vanilla and I'd really like to take out Catherine's stupid southern cities. THAT'S MY LAND BITCH.

Trebuchets require Iron in vanilla the fuck is this shit.
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Romanticide
Aug 12 2014, 11:03 PM
I hope we can get back to that game later on. I'd fire it up now but I have some things to do, so I'll wait an hour or two. It's been a while since I've played vanilla and I'd really like to take out Catherine's stupid southern cities. THAT'S MY LAND BITCH.

Trebuchets require Iron in vanilla the fuck is this shit.
couple things.


1. I appreciate it more than you realize for taking the time out of your day to type out that massive guide. I didnt read it all yet but I will soon. Seriously, that was awesome of you and it helped me understand some things more (like the importance of Scouts (I never make scouts ever))

2. I am down to play whenever you guys are, just let me know


3. by the end of this week, I plan to have Brave New World. I can handle the money fine, just gotta get out and do something to get paid for like mow a lawn or two. I'd like to get BNW because I read up on what it offers and it seems as though I am lacking in pretty much every way possible with this game without owning it and I don't want to hold us all back when we play
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It mostly focuses on the early game because the first 100 turns are the most important of the game. For the most part, turns decrease in importance as you continue in the game, though Science buildings are always important, making the turns after you research Writing, Education, Scientific Theory, and Plastics very important. I always start the appropriate building in almost every city as soon as I research the tech, and buy it in my best science cities if I have the cash. Anything else gets bumped down for those buildings, unless it's troops and I'm at war.

The Shoshone (BNW) are one of my favorite civs because their early game is unmatched, but if you cannot snowball after the first 100 or so turns, they will probably fall behind because most other civs have better mid/late-game presence. I'd play them if you want to learn the early game.

Also, I generally recommend holding off until there's yet another sale on Civ stuff. I expect one when Beyond Earth comes out, but you might not want to wait another two months.

And yeah, that took me like three hours. Good to know it's appreciated. Other good resources would include:

http://www.civfanatics.com (their forums are great, though most of the best stuff is aimed at Deity/maybe Immortal level play)
http://www.carlsguides.com/strategy/civilization5/
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_V
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I loved your guide too, Ro. Even though I only have 42 hours total and haven't played since January. I'll definitely play again sometime, but I'll probably try to familiarize myself with a lot of stuff in singleplayer before joining the three of you for games. I have all the DLC that Ro has ("Deluxe" upgrade was cheap during the winter sale, and BNW was discounted too of course) because a couple friends and I were playing a bit of multiplayer at that time, but we started like four games and didn't finish any of them for some reason and then just kinda stopped. Oh well.
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So Oli, ghost, and I finished our multiplayer game. I've never played multiplayer before, but it was a different experience and it was really fun.

If anyone else is to host a game, they should wait until everyone checks the little green checkmark on the setup screen, at which point it'll start automatically. It's just easier and you know everyone is ready. The game does take some time to load, and I was impatient once and closed it out because it wasn't responding. Blargh.

You probably won't finish in one session, but that's not a problem. The host can save and you'll pick up where you left off next time. It restarted twice on us for who knows what reason, but luckily we lost no progress.

We played as if we were a team of three. Probably unbalanced the game a bit but whatever, it was more fun that way. Oli and I were put on a continent with Russia (haha poor Russia), while ghost was put on a continent with Greece, America, England, and Korea. Ouch. That's not a friendly continent in so many ways. Greece's presence practically rules out a diplo win, especially in vanilla where you cannot coup to steal the allies. America is a fairly big warmongerer and not someone you want as a neighbor. Korea's UA allows it to gain tech very fast. When I went to war with them late in the game, we had troops on equal footing. This was in part because I couldn't upgrade until I took Jeonju from them, but still. England was honestly kinda meh given the map and the lack of their BNW UA. Even so, Longbowmen can wreak havoc in the hands of a good player, which the AI is not.

I was impressed with ghost's ability to warmonger despite probably being behind in tech. I know, the AI blows at war, but we all have to start somewhere. He did pretty well taking Korea down to two cities, at which point I came in and mopped up with three atomic bombs. Oli had a couple of good cities, having them at size 21. Even my largest cities barely broke 30, and some of my other cities weren't much bigger than 21. Maybe 22-24 or so. My 5th city was smaller but it had really good dirt and would have been amazing if I had it for more of the game.

If we were to play more "seriously" (that is, everyone works on their own, as opposed to helping each other in war/giving each other sweetheart deals), idk how that would work. I suppose I'd have to turn the difficulty up to Immortal because Emperor felt rather easy. I still dunno what that does but whatever. I also feel like it'd be best for everyone if I were to play peacefully towards at least you guys in most games. I already do this, but me winding up next to ghost/Snow while playing the Zulu is not going to end well. I try not to wipe out most AI, but leaving a human with a size 3 city in tundra/snow is a douchey thing to do, so at that point I might as well wipe you out and that's not fun for anyone.

Culture is probably the hardest wincon to go for in any version of Civ V. Science is pretty autonomous (as Oli/ghost saw, I was building spaceship parts while fighting Korea), Domination would be easy if I'm a whole era ahead of everyone, and Diplo is about buying city-state alliances/doing their quests. It might be best if I play this, idk.

I'd recommend everyone have at least one of Gods and Kings or Brave New World. BNW is the better expansion by far, but G&K is still perfectly playable. Vanilla is alright but you're missing out on so much if you're limited to that. Don't feel you have to spend $30 on an expansion, wait for a sale unless it won't hurt your finances.
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So, here's the game I just finished. The civ I played as in this game is Crimea (FE9/10), which has a RIDICULOUS UA. Farms give +1 science and Scientist specialists give +1 food. The results are... not normal. I don't do this well in most 4 city Science games.

If you want to play as this awesome science civ (I'd say they're on par with Babylon/Korea), all you have to do is search "Crimea" in Steam Workshop. The music they start the game with is pretty coo', too.

I also played with the Navy SEAL Denouncement mod. This is relatively easy to find and is hilarious.

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Bruh it's all about Total War

loljk I won't be that guy, I might get Civ V next time it's on sale. Sounds like a really good game.
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If more people played other 4X titles I wouldn't be against making this a 4X thread in general, but I dun think anyone other than you plays something else. /shrug

That said, I should get around to trying out one of the Total War games... some day. >.>
Edited by Romanticide, Aug 14 2014, 10:25 PM.
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little bit of civ humor
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Picture-heavy post and I realize I should be spoiler-ing these anyways to avoid page stretch.

ARTICLE I: Spaghetti pics. Alexander is a filthy cheater.

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ARTICLE II: Ghost and I started a 2v2v2v2 co-op game playing one difficulty above our normal, so 4 and 6 respectively. Always wanted to try England. Slow start without my UUs but I did get the rare:

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So far, our opponents are Bismarck/Nebby and Gengis/Catherine (they went to war super early with each other) but I seem to be secluded on my island (Gengis got here somehow but I don't think he can easily send units here). We don't know the third pair but judging by Ghost securing GL on, like, turn 80 or so I think they might be more warmongers, and I'm seeing some denouncing of unmet players. I'll finally get to use a navy.

ARTICLE III: Portugal

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so...did you just continue the game we started without me? if you had asked me to play, I would have.
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