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Topic Started: Oct 7 2014, 03:13 AM (4,180 Views)
Antunee
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tfghost92
Jul 11 2015, 10:39 PM
no, this Batman is already an established character in this universe. This isn't Batman's origin story. Bruce has been Batman for a while at this point. He chooses to use his suit to try killing Superman after what he did to Wayne Tower and the destruction he left.
I didn't get that from the tone of the trailer at all. I wouldn't have even guessed that he had previously been Batman if you hadn't responded and I didn't rewatch the trailer to see the decked out cave for a split second. So, thanks for the info.
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Antunee
Jul 11 2015, 11:22 PM
tfghost92
Jul 11 2015, 10:39 PM
no, this Batman is already an established character in this universe. This isn't Batman's origin story. Bruce has been Batman for a while at this point. He chooses to use his suit to try killing Superman after what he did to Wayne Tower and the destruction he left.
I didn't get that from the tone of the trailer at all. I wouldn't have even guessed that he had previously been Batman if you hadn't responded and I didn't rewatch the trailer to see the decked out cave for a split second. So, thanks for the info.
there is also the Joker nod where someone wrote "Ha Ha Ha" on his beat up suit. I think that was supposed to be an old suit of his. I doubt they'd introduce important Batman centric villains in a movie like this, so its more than likely something Batman dealt with in the past, further suggesting its an experienced Batman. I don't know actually know for sure but thats what I am picking up from all thee subtle hints in both trailers
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Hmm. Joss Whedon announced that his next project is a six-part comic called Twist, which is about a "Victorian female Batman". Sounds cool and I'll probably check it out because that's what I do, but lately I just feel disappointed when people say something is "this really popular thing you like, but different!" (with a twist, if you will). It just feels uninspired or something, idk. But I'm judging it based on three words and will probably like it when it comes out so we'll see.
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Batman is already established. Even before this trailer it's been all about how Affleck is an older, more experienced Bats.

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there is also the Joker nod where someone wrote "Ha Ha Ha" on his beat up suit. I think that was supposed to be an old suit of his.


It's a Robin suit. Most likely Jason Todd's since, you know, Joker killed him.

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That said i don't understand why Batman, world's greatest detective, would just make Superman out to be the bad guy, despite everyone in the world saw that they were going to destroy the planet and he was trying to stop it. A few people sure, but not Batman.


I mean, his whole building was destroyed. He's probably pretty pissed. And maybe his investigating Superman leads to their fighting/becoming friends later. I mean, we see Bats fighting a Superman army (which is probably a Luthor thing) in the desert, probably the result of his investigating all things Superman.

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because the Marvel movies have all dealt with that


They barely did. Sure the Avengers evacuated the city, but the movie spent 2 seconds at the end with some people going "hey our city kinda got destroyed." It spent more time on people defending the Avengers and a Stan Lee cameo than it did with consequences. Avengers 2 took even less time with dealing with the fallout of the world ending.

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Man of Steel which ends the movie with a big joke on how hes from Kansas and then the female character makes a joke about how hes hot.


The Avengers 2 ending was literally nothing BUT jokes. Literally, nonstop jokes. I don't see how you can criticize the DC movies for ending their destruction with a couple of jokes and dealing with the fallout later when Marvel is doing THE SAME THING.

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We have to see Wonder Woman for the first time through the vision of one of the most sexist directors in hollywood and that scares me. I'm just hoping he decideds not to make her a rape victim like in all his other movies


To be fair, Zach didn't write this movie, unlike 300 and Sucker Punch. Chris Terrio did, and he's great. Wonder Woman looked pretty good in the trailer.


I liked the trailer.
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Actually, i want criticizing DC, i was just mentioning that Man of Steel literally didnt show any consequence and made a joke. I don't have much criticism for the destruction and i understand the need, but it just seems like DC takes as many jabs as possible (movie side, not comics obviously). Personally my biggest problem with it was that it was just mediocre. The trailers made it seem to be a character and plot driven movie about superman, but it ended up just being a basic superhero movie trying to be more than what it was.

And i meant to put that that is the reason I'm a bit hopeful that the movie will turn out good because of him. That in the fact Affleck has a pretty good judgement nowadays.

I'm actually pretty hopeful with the future of movies they have coming out. The directors on the movies are pretty great, with the exception of Snyder. I'm just hopeful DC knows whats best for their properties.
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Jul 12 2015, 03:54 AM
Actually, i want criticizing DC, i was just mentioning that Man of Steel literally didnt show any consequence and made a joke. I don't have much criticism for the destruction and i understand the need, but it just seems like DC takes as many jabs as possible (movie side, not comics obviously). Personally my biggest problem with it was that it was just mediocre. The trailers made it seem to be a character and plot driven movie about superman, but it ended up just being a basic superhero movie trying to be more than what it was.

And i meant to put that that is the reason I'm a bit hopeful that the movie will turn out good because of him. That in the fact Affleck has a pretty good judgement nowadays.
Okay that's fair. I read it as a criticism, my b.

And yeah, I think that while Snyder may not have the best track record, he has a wonderful visual flair that works really well with superheroes, and the other has been handed off to more talented individuals. I'm very hopeful (I have to be hopeful, I love DC too much).
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I think his visual flair would look good with superheroes, I'm just abfan of it with the tone of these movies. Ut was very subdued in many parts of Man of Steel, but when he was fighting the terraformer, it just seemed off. Idk. It looks like he's going all out with his visuals this movie and I'm not zure how it'll match up. It work wonderfully in Watchmen, because that movie had a lot of dark comedy and such to it, but it seems too off for me in these movies. Not because it's superman or wonder woman, but because of the constant seriousness. It would work wonders if it was less stiff. But who knows? Perhaps the trailer is just misleading and will get a much different film than MoS.

Patty Jenkins, Ben Affleck, and Phil Lord and Chris Miller being runored to be involved with creating future movies is plenty to be excited for. I do enjoy Marvels knack for picking smaller directors, but you can't deny directors that have proven themselves.

Actors in iffy on. It seems the actors have just been who happens to be really popular or in something really popular, aside from Cyborg and Flash. Cavill i don't have a problem with, but he didn't prove anything to me in the first movie. Affleck i feel will do good. Still not sure how to feel about Gal Gadot. I would be more open, but i was unhappy with a bit of the cast in MoS, or at least unimpressed, exceptions being Michael Shannon and Russel Crowe.

The fact it'll be a Green Lantern Corps movie will be interesting. I feel it may be a better way to tell Hals story and top distance it from the last movie.

I'm actually surprised DC didn't show more at Comic Con. Suicide Squad has been filming for a while and we still don't know who's playing Green Lantern.
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They did show a Suicide Squad trailer, which was neat, though an official, non-cellphone-recording version hasn't made it to the internet yet.

And I'm all for a Green Lantern movie that has more than Hal Jordan in it. Hal's kinda boring on his own.

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Funny enough, i saw that not pong after posting. It was in a comments section, haven't seen an article about it surprisingly unpess i overlooked it.
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DEADPOOL TRAILER. ERMAHGERD


Ehm, carry on.
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Loved the Deadpool trailer. Hisbface seemed a bit too normal looking though.

I think I'm most curious about the upcoming slate is the villains for future batman and spiderman movies. With other heroes it's pretty easy to make a guess who will be in the movies. Soli or teamup movies, but with Batman and Spiderman, anything can happen.

I'd prefer then to stick to villains they haven't done or didn't get justice. Spiderman would be awesome to see Mysterio, Kraven, or perhaps Morbius. I thought it would be cool seeing spiderman team up with other heroes. Venom is the only villain done i would like to see again since he opens up other possibilities. Obviously we'll see Osbourne again though.

Batman i just know i want to see someone with powers or something. Something more than just typical physcho or person trying to purge gotham. I'd like to see a return to Mr. Freeze though. Someone who can really challenge Batman on multiple levels. Bane also fits that mold, but he's had his chance, twice. Which between a mix ofbthe two gets most of him right, although neither came close individually.

I'm more excited for Spiderman though, if only because Spiderman has only seen 7 villains come to life, while Batman has had 11, in his movies alone, not counting 60s Batman and Arrow. And the good thing about spiderman is he can go on for awhile. Holland isbyoung enough to go 15 years or more, which would be about a trilogy of movie if marvel plans on phases lasting longer now. Then Miles can take over, and like i mentioned before, Mayday. With each a trilogy of movies. I normally would rather see new heroes, but with spidermans rogue gallery and importance, I'd be OK with it.
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Antman was great. It was nice and smaller like the phase 1 films. The humor was similar to the first Ironman where it is mostly just a couple humorous characters (Rudd and Pena) playing off the serious characters. The funniest moments though were probably the visual gags, Cassie, and the funny lines the voice Douglas.

It's definitely more on the comedy side of the MCU, but in a good way like GotG. If anything it's a step ahead, because they really nail how it feels to read a Scott Lang comic. Scott and Pym are probably the best castings of the MCU. Like, Paul Rudd plays Scott just like he reads on page, and God do i love it.
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^ I agree with like, everything you said. I just saw it and I thought it was the funniest MCU movie yet. And I liked that it was smaller, too. Yeah, there's brief stuff to remind you that the Avengers exist, but there were no cosmic threats, no big SHIELD/HYDRA conflicts, no Infinity Stones. I do agree that Scott and Hank were excellent castings, but not the best of the MCU -- RDJ and Tony Stark were made for each other.

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I find it funny how you see articles about the downfall of Marvel ever since Age of Ultron released. There were many problems with Ultron, but most of its problems are the same problems with the first Avengers, aside from it feeling rushed. I see many people complaining about the jokes of AoU, but it was worse in the first one. The main villain is defeated with a joke. Both emotional moments are turned into jokes. At the very least we don't have that problem with AoU, unless you really want to try and make a case if that line was a joke.

I feel the two biggest problems of AoU that the first Avengers didn't have was that the movie should've been a good thirty minutes longer, and I feel peoples expectations were too high. The first Avengers was as chalerished, because of what it did. A good rewatch of it though and you can see that there are many problems in that movie. Theres one memorable scene in the movie that doesn't involve a joke or action, and it's one of ky favorite scenes in the movies. Loki was a weak villain without the context of Thor. Thor's entire character arc was ignored. The best part of the movie was the script. Even a lot of the action scenes were subpar. The only one I feel was really good was the Thor/Hulk fight

I love both Avengers movies, but they're not cream of the crop movies. Winter Soldier, Guardians, and Iron Man arenbetter movies for sure, and I'd even argue every other MCU movie except Iron Man 2 and Thor 2.

But like I said, I feel a major problem is the expectations. People remember Avengers to be better than iylt was, and Marvel just soent the last year releasing Winter Soldier, Guardians, AoS season 2, Agent Carter, and Daredevil. Uf anything they had the greatest year of the MCU, anything after would have a hard time keeping up.

I feel both Whedon and Marvel were problems to AoU. I feel Marvel doesn't realize that people are very willing to to spebd an extra 30 minutes watching their movies, especially their event films. If you're fans are willing to watch two movies abyear, and perhaps tv shows, then they're willing to spend extra time in the theater. I feel it's more of a budget thing and a fear of people not wanting a movie that long. It's not a way to make more money, otherwise they would release director cuts, which it seems they still don't plan on doing. Whedon seems to have a bit of an ego. He knows he's a good writer and sometimes I feel he lets that get the best of him. The reason Buffy the show exists is due to him being upset at what happened to his movie and both Avengers movies ignored many important character beats from the solo movies, just so ue can make the movie the way he wants. (Why is Thor more of an ass in the Avengers movies than he was before he was granted worthiness of his hammer?)

I just feel AoU gets way more hate than it should. It had its problems, but no more than many other decent Marvel movies. I guess Avengers after mediocre to good movies like Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America just seems so much better than AoU after Winter Soldier, Guardians, and Daredevil.

As a whole I feel the MCU has gotten a lot better. AoS season 1 and Thor 2 are the only Phase 2 projects that imo don't exceed all of the Phase 1 movies aside from Iron Man 1 (maybe Incredible Hulk, but its been awhile since I've seen it.) Antman is easily in my top 3 MCU movies so far. The plot was refreshing, the performances spot on, and, while still a lacking villain, is a step in the right direction. Civil War looks good. It seems to be a similar, although maybe darker tone of Winter Soldier. It looks like most heroes will be cameos for the most part. I just think people are becoming a bit jaded.


Speaking of villains. Marvel gets a lot of flack, but most comic movie villains have been pretty weak. Joker was amazing. Everything else has been mixed bags. Even the villains of the Dark Knight trilogy were only good. Heck, Joker's main draw was the portayal, not the writing or development of his character. I just think the whole comic industry period needs to work on better movie villains.
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