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| SIAD | Apr 13 2015, 02:30 PM Post #1 |
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If Goku Base (BoG) wins, faces against the following: 1.-King Cold 2.-Freezer 100% (Namek) 3.-Goku SSJ (Boo) 4. SPC 5.- Kibitoshin 6.-Goku SSJ2 (Boo) 7.-Mr Boo 8.-Goku SSJ3 (Boo) 9.-Gotenks SSJ (Pre) 10.-Base Gotenks (Post) 11.- SSJ Gotenks (Post) As far as it could? Edited by SIAD, May 28 2015, 01:05 AM.
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| epicnessbeyond2 | Apr 13 2015, 03:15 PM Post #2 |
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He can beat SSJ Gotenks Pre but loses to SSJ3 Goku |
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| SIAD | Apr 13 2015, 03:50 PM Post #3 |
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But SSJ Gotenks (Pre)> SSJ3 Goku (Boo). |
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| Captain Cadaver | Apr 13 2015, 07:12 PM Post #4 |
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Whilst SS3 Goku >> Ultimate Gohan during this film, I'd rather opt to having his SSJ multiplier remain fairly high, considering how Base Saiyans are treat in this film. As such, I'd probably place him no higher than his EoZ self's base form, so I'd say he gets up to SS3 Goku and loses, so long as SS3 stamina drain isn't a factor. At best, he wins purely through that and loses to Gotenks. |
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| SIAD | Apr 13 2015, 09:59 PM Post #5 |
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You still have to Goku SSJ3 (Boo) = 384 billion? As you Goku Base / SSJ / SSJ2 / SSJ3 (Boo / M13 / BoG), Vegeta Base / SSJ / SSJ2 (Boo / M13 / BoG), Super Buu, Gotenks Base / SSJ / SSJ2 / SSJ3 (Boo / M13 / BoG ), Gohan Mystic, Mystic Gohan SSJ (BoG) and Vegetto Base / SSJ / SSJ2 / SSJ3? |
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| epicnessbeyond2 | Apr 14 2015, 02:06 AM Post #6 |
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Not really. I go by that Fat Buu<<Goku Holding Back Against Fat Buu<SSJ Gotenks Pre<<SSJ3 Goku=SSJ Gotenks Post. |
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| Captain Cadaver | Apr 14 2015, 03:39 PM Post #7 |
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Firstly, nobody ever contradicted Goku's estimation of Gotenks being stronger than himself. Secondly, Goku wasn't used to SS3, so there's no way he was holding back against Boo. Honestly, there's no valid reason to place SSJ Gotenks (pre) below SS3 Goku other than bias. |
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| Lightsworn | Apr 14 2015, 03:44 PM Post #8 |
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Which according to the context was not an actual power statement |
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| papasmurf | Apr 14 2015, 05:15 PM Post #9 |
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You are a sad motherfucker, Yoshi.
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There's positively no backing for SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks (pre). Kuririn still referred to Goku's statement that Fusion was invincible even after Super Boo was produced and gave off a ki far surpassing SSJ3 Goku, and even needed Piccolo's confirmation that not even Fusion can win later on. Things he would never say if Gotenks gave off a ki lower than Goku's, since Super Boo's was obviously greater. This is after seeing Gotenks' power proven highly insufficient in base, and sensing his ki fully after he was formed again in SSJ. (Meaning it was impressive enough that base Gotenks' insufficience was no longer on their mind.) Goku's superiority over Gotenks has no backing, especially when the only thing he confirmed was that he could have beaten Fat Boo, which clearly holds true for Gotenks and then some. BOG Goku still tears him limb from limb, but that's another story. |
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| Lightsworn | Apr 14 2015, 05:24 PM Post #10 |
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Krillins lines does not have to be Interpreted that way. His statement was more about what Goku said about him defeating Boo rather than Gotenks' actual strength. Krillin for whatever reason could not feel Boos Ki increase. As far as he knew, Boo had the same power just more evil amd has a better body. Otherwise he would've realized that even Super Boo is too powerful for Ssj Gotenks like Piccolo did. |
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| Captain Cadaver | Apr 14 2015, 05:29 PM Post #11 |
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It was still clear that Evil Boo was far beyond the Fat Boo Goku fought. Piccolo had no complaints in SSJ Gotenks' confidence in beating Fat Boo other than messing around, whereas he was unsure of the fusion's chances even prior to Boo's arrival at the Lookout. Regardless, this still gives no reason to place Goku above Gotenks. All it does is revolve around Gotenks VS Boo, rather than give any bearing towards Goku's power at all. |
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| papasmurf | Apr 14 2015, 05:29 PM Post #12 |
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You are a sad motherfucker, Yoshi.
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So Kuririn, while sensing a ki far greater than SSJ3 Goku's (and sensible from Kaioshinkai as a whole new level of ki)... is saying that Gotenks can still win because he's now crazy enough to think much lower powers can beat powers higher than themselves by leaps and bounds... you can do better than that man. Only instance of Kuririn "misjudging" Gotenks was while he was still in base and where he said so after Piccolo's more clear statement that he was nothing to Boo. He then senses his power up in SSJ and not even Piccolo says Gotenks' power is all talk. Then he senses a power greater than Goku's by a landslide, and even with Gotenks' prior failure he says Fusion should be invincible when he could accurately judge Trunks was hiding his power from Vegeta without the former meaning to reveal such a thing. No excuse can get around numerous statements denoting that Fusion was the greatest power the good guys had up to that point, something only reaffirmed by SSJ Gotenks' prior appearance. 0/10 argument. |
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| Lightsworn | Apr 14 2015, 05:36 PM Post #13 |
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Same still happend with Base Gotenks man, he thought he could beat Boo despite being many times weaker, it doesn't matter if Piccolo said he couldn't defeat him, he still believed he had a chance, this instance is no different. Super Boos power would be far greater than Ssj Gotenks' also, Krillin should've noticed Gotenks was screwed also. But he didn't. Unless Ssj Gotenks Pre > Super Boo, then you're logic is heavily flawed. Edited by Lightsworn, Apr 14 2015, 05:41 PM.
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| papasmurf | Apr 14 2015, 05:44 PM Post #14 |
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You are a sad motherfucker, Yoshi.
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This is not even an argument. First you try to get around Kuririn's established belief that Fusion was the best chance they've got by claiming that for some reason Kuririn shouldn't have been able to feel Super Boo's highly enhanced ki after he flew to the Kami place and eradicated the Earthlings straight after his arrival at that, and now you're using the base Gotenks example that only reaffirmed Piccolo's earlier statement? That example revolved around Gotenks' overconfidence while the newer display of his SSJ clearly dispelled even Piccolo's doubts and again confirmed what Goku had said about Fusion's invincibility in multiple people's minds. While he has a tough time grasping Super Boo has surpassed even that, for him to do so he has to be notably greater than other ~ Fat Boo tiers, something which Goku earlier stated himself and no one quite denied after sensing SSJ Gotenks' strength until Piccolo mentions the RoSaT. If you have any argument that doesn't fall back on something Kuririn knows to have been hot air and would take into account again when he senses Gotenks' higher powers, do post it. Otherwise, I'll just call BS again.
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| Lightsworn | Apr 14 2015, 05:58 PM Post #15 |
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Because he even question Piccolo as to what he is seeing below and when he says the change in Boos Ki Krillin responds with "Huh?" He obviously didn't sense it for some reason. There's no one else around besides Gotenks, he's obviously the best chance they had, not sure what that proves. And if you actually read Krillins words, he doesnt say "Gotenks is much stronger than Goku, he's invincible! He can defeat this Boo!" He says "But Goku said Gotenks could do it!" He's basing it off of what Goku said. Base Gotenks Ki must also be close to Ssj3 Goku since he had a chance right? Wrong. By your own logic Ssj Gotenks must be stronger than Super Boo. You're argument is "Super Boo is far stronger than Goku, he believed Gotenks was invincible, so therefore he is stronger than Goku." Unless Ssj Gotenks Ki is actually greater than Super Boos Ki in Krillins mind, then Krillins statement is based off of what Goku said and not what his actual power was, similar to how he thought Base Gotenks had a chance based on how confident Gotenks was being and not sensing that his actual Ki was way weaker. You are putting too much stress on his line and trying to say it conveys something based on your own interpretation when its already shown to be flawed. |
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