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Base Goku (BoG) runs the gauntlet
Topic Started: Apr 13 2015, 02:30 PM (1,111 Views)
papasmurf
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You are a sad motherfucker, Yoshi.
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I already told you to come see me when you aren't jumping from one contrived excuse to the next. First you pull some nonsense out of the blue about Kuririn being unable to sense Super Boo's ki after he pulled a massive ki attack in the vicinity and you're jumping back again on stuff that's only been debunked prior.

Goku > Fat Boo was highly implied by Piccolo, hastily denied by Goku himself but confirmed later on. But to do so Piccolo believes Goku would have to go all-out.

Then multiple showings demonstrate Gotenks would defeat Fat Boo without the slightest shadow of a doubt, and even after his earlier failure in base (which Piccolo made clear was going to happen), SSJ Gotenks' new display wiped any doubts... and because of Kuririn trying to assure everybody that there's some faint chance, being disproven, then only growing confident again once he senses Gotenks' SSJ form, then knowing these prior facts and sensing a much greater ki than Goku from the enemy... he's severely overestimating Gotenks again?

You know this is bullshit as well as we do. Even Piccolo doesn't outright deny Gotenks' chances, after sensing his SSJ, until the prospect is mentioned again by Kuririn following Super Boo's arrival and use of a ki attack - this is not what happened with base Gotenks, where he goes and states off the bat that Gotenks' power is nothing at the time. This supports that SSJ Gotenks pre is > other ~ Fat Boo tiers, including Goku himself who's not massively stronger than Fat Boo. This was what Goku stated to begin with, which Kuririn was then dead certain was the case after sensing SSJ Gotenks.

Again, a shitty argument. No amount of excuses can cover for your pariah logic.

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Koshka
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If it's base Goku (Pre-God) then he gets stomped instantly. He can't even beat 100% Freeza before his God power-up. If it's post-God he beats everybody at once.
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Disasters GoOn
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Considering how I use small multipliers for Gotenks, I could have SSj3 Goku (BoG)>>Ultimate Gohan and still have his base form be above SSj Goku (Boo Arc) at the most.

So, he beats 1, but loses against the rest.
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Koshka
Apr 14 2015, 08:34 PM
If it's base Goku (Pre-God) then he gets stomped instantly. He can't even beat 100% Freeza before his God power-up. If it's post-God he beats everybody at once.
There's so many holes to that statement that it can only be taken as 100% Freeza > Base Goku if taken out of context, even if only regarding what's implied within BoG.

Tell me, what part of inspecting Goku's body thoroughly would play anywhere into sensing his power?
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Disasters GoOn
Apr 14 2015, 10:24 PM
Considering how I use small multipliers for Gotenks, I could have SSj3 Goku (BoG)>>Ultimate Gohan and still have his base form be above SSj Goku (Boo Arc) at the most.

So, he beats 1, but loses against the rest.
Even I have: Goku SSJ3 (BoG) >> Gotenks SSJ3 (BoG) >> SSJ Gohan Mystic (BoG) >>>>>> SSJ Gotenks (BoG)> = Goku SSJ2 (BoG)> = Vegeta SSJ2 (BoG)> Gohan mystical. Therefore I have to Goku Base (BoG) >> Goku SSJ2 (BoG).
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Captain Cadaver
Apr 14 2015, 10:46 PM
There's so many holes to that statement that it can only be taken as 100% Freeza > Base Goku if taken out of context, even if only regarding what's implied within BoG.

Tell me, what part of inspecting Goku's body thoroughly would play anywhere into sensing his power?
Beerus flat-out states Goku can't beat Freeza as he is but that he can if he transforms. Not only does Son Goku not contradict Beerus but Kaio-sama flat-out confirms it.

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Beerus: I heard from Whis, here, that you're the one who defeated Freeza?
Son Goku: Freeza? Yeah, I defeated him, all right. Sir.
Beerus: It doesn't appear to me like you could defeat him as you are, but I understand you transform and power up into what's called a Super Saiyan.
Kaio-sama: That is correct. You are well informed.


If Beerus' power statement was really incorrect then Son and/or Kaio-sama would've said something to make it clear that Beerus was wrong.
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Captain Cadaver
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Yet how do you explain Beerus inspecting Goku's body with a perplexed expression, even poking his muscles? Based on that, it seemed more to do with Goku's appearance not matching what Beerus had seen in Whis' crystal ball. Kaio-sama's confirmation had more to do with the obvious fact that at the time he fought Freeza, he couldn't win without SSJ. Plus, do you really expect Kaio-sama would contradict the one person he fears above all others? Goku not retorting can be explained with the same reasoning, since he'd already been advised to be as polite as possible.
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Apr 13 2015, 02:30 PM
If Goku Base (BoG) wins, faces against the following:

1.-Goku SSJ (Boo)
2. SPC
3.- Kibitoshin
4.-Goku SSJ2 (Boo)
5.-Mr Boo
6.-Goku SSJ3 (Boo)
7.-Gotenks SSJ (Pre)
8.-Base Gotenks (Post)
9. SSJ Gotenks (Post)

  As far as it could?
Even if Goku is stronger than U. Gohan, it would only be his SSJ3 form that could have surpassed Gohan.



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olliebalollie
Apr 15 2015, 04:15 AM
SIAD
Apr 13 2015, 02:30 PM
If Goku Base (BoG) wins, faces against the following:

1.-Goku SSJ (Boo)
2. SPC
3.- Kibitoshin
4.-Goku SSJ2 (Boo)
5.-Mr Boo
6.-Goku SSJ3 (Boo)
7.-Gotenks SSJ (Pre)
8.-Base Gotenks (Post)
9. SSJ Gotenks (Post)

  As far as it could?
Even if Goku is stronger than U. Gohan, it would only be his SSJ3 form that could have surpassed Gohan.



Yeah and he would have to be above Base Gotenks Post
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^Not if you were to give Goku higher SSJ multipliers than Gotenks.
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Captain Cadaver
Apr 15 2015, 04:40 PM
^Not if you were to give Goku higher SSJ multipliers than Gotenks.
True
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Everyone > 100% Freeza > Base Goku
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epicnessbeyond2
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Base Saiyans>Freeza is just really shitty because there is barely anything to back it up.
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SIAD
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I added to King Cold and Frieza 100% in the glove, for believers Freezer 100% (Namek)> Goku Base (BoG).

  I personally have Goku Base (BoG) 2 win very easily, even I have to Goku Base (BoG) near Trunks USSJ.

  I hold 3 possibilities to have Goku Base (BoG) >>>>> Freezer (100%):
1. Goku is much suppressed as Kaiosama asked him to hide.
2. Bills thought he needed to become SSJ Goku to defeat Frieza, from what I saw in the crystal ball Wiss.
3. Freezer in the past was tremendously more powerful your self Namek Saga. I would think that Freezer (Young) = Freezer (M12)> Super Boujack> Goku Base (BoG).
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Mike
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Beats the first two only.
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