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Base Trunks (M2) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT)
Topic Started: May 28 2015, 02:11 AM (481 Views)
Mike
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If Goku loses, make it Super Saiyan 2/3.
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SIAD
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I think he needed to defeat the SSJ2 Trunks Base (M2).
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He easily beats SSJ Goku, since Trunks didn't seem in any way insulted by Goku calling 3 people who were stronger than BoGT SSJ Goku "nothing special". His power, along with Pan's and Goku's, was enough to one-shot Base Rild, suggesting he's at least at a noticeable fraction of Rild's power. As for Goku's higher forms, I could see him beating SS2 Goku, but not SS3 in his base.
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May 28 2015, 10:53 AM
He easily beats SSJ Goku, since Trunks didn't seem in any way insulted by Goku calling 3 people who were stronger than BoGT SSJ Goku "nothing special". His power, along with Pan's and Goku's, was enough to one-shot Base Rild, suggesting he's at least at a noticeable fraction of Rild's power. As for Goku's higher forms, I could see him beating SS2 Goku, but not SS3 in his base.
CC, just for curiosity level fight with Scouters numbers would you give to Goku and Vegeta Base Base in EOZ and Bogt?
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May 28 2015, 11:48 AM
CC, just for curiosity level fight with Scouters numbers would you give to Goku and Vegeta Base Base in EOZ and Bogt?
28th TB Goku/Vegeta - 350,000,000,000

BoGT Goku - 480,000,000,000

We've got nothing to go on for BoGT Vegeta's power, though with the general theme of him lagging behind Goku, he's likely weaker, or at best equal, to Goku at that point.
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May 28 2015, 11:52 AM
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May 28 2015, 11:48 AM
CC, just for curiosity level fight with Scouters numbers would you give to Goku and Vegeta Base Base in EOZ and Bogt?
28th TB Goku/Vegeta - 350,000,000,000

BoGT Goku - 480,000,000,000

We've got nothing to go on for BoGT Vegeta's power, though with the general theme of him lagging behind Goku, he's likely weaker, or at best equal, to Goku at that point.
I find very interesting, if only thing that should not be Vegeta SSJ2 (Bogt)> = Goku SSJ3 (EOZ)? Whereas Vegeta believe that the power of Goku could beat if he kept training.
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Vegeta's statement wasn't added until the Kanzeban release of the manga, which makes sense going by the small gap between them in FnF. Most likely, GT follows the Tankoban release/Anime ending, as the Kanzeban wasn't released yet, whereas the God Continuity and DB Super likely include the Kanzeban edition.
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May 28 2015, 01:36 PM
Vegeta's statement wasn't added until the Kanzeban release of the manga, which makes sense going by the small gap between them in FnF. Most likely, GT follows the Tankoban release/Anime ending, as the Kanzeban wasn't released yet, whereas the God Continuity and DB Super likely include the Kanzeban edition.
Then Goku Base (BoG) I'll have well below Base Gotenks (Post). As for what I'll have just Redjic stronger than Gotenks Base (Post) and nothing else. By the way CC, when you think your SSJ Gohan recovers? Bogt or will be in the Baby Saga?
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Mike
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I'd figure 5 years of training with your equal would at least give you better gains than a ~37% increase..
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I'm (I guess compared to everybody else) kind of a Lood fapper as I don't take Goku running away from Lood for an entire episode as just Toei stupidity, so just based on Trunks not being worlds below Rild/Mega Cannon Sigma and them being above Lood he should win this easily IMO.
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May 28 2015, 07:36 PM
I'd figure 5 years of training with your equal would at least give you better gains than a ~37% increase..
Well, power is purely plot-determined most of the time and nothing directly implies Goku became massively stronger in that 5 year gap, especially with what gap's implied between his BoGT and M2 selves. By what's implied in Toei's continuity, Piccolo also had such opportunity due to how he utilised the Shishin no Ken in filler training, yet at least as far as scouter numbers go, his increase in the same timespan couldn't really be much greater of an increase. Not just that, but as far as the gaps in the Saiyan Arc imply, a 37% advantage could be considered more than enough for person A to be considered in a different league from person B.
Koshka
May 28 2015, 08:00 PM
I'm (I guess compared to everybody else) kind of a Lood fapper as I don't take Goku running away from Lood for an entire episode as just Toei stupidity.
Well, he also ran from Si Xing Long despite SS4 being enough to beat him, plus he made no mention of there being nothing he could do to beat Lood. Pan had also been absorbed by Lood, so it could've been that Goku was initially unaware of her safety if Lood were destroyed until she contacted him, similar to his fight with Qi Xing Long. Along with that, if you were to have Lvl 3 Lood > SS3 Goku >>> SSJ Goku > Lvl 2 Lood, you'd need a good explanation as to how Pan could provide such a boost.
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I don't mind having Level 3 Luud above SS3 Goku. Adding Pan obviously wasn't purely additive, so the boost being big enough to surpass SS3 Goku isn't that crazy, given the really tiny multipliers.

It's also useful in keeping BoGT characters as low as possible, as I don't just like the main cast starting off hundreds of times stronger than from the End of Z. (Although I do still prefer to have Goku have more than a 37% increase)
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For believers of the multiplier for Gotenks SSJ it is normal. They can have Goku Base (M2) >>>>>>> Goku SSJ3 (Bogt) >>>>> Goku Base (Bogt) >>>>> Goku Base (EOZ) easily.

  Those who believe that the multiplier for SSJ Gotenks is completely nerfed, we have: Goku Base (M2) >>>>> Goku SSJ3 (Bogt) >>>>> Goku Base (Bogt)> Goku Base (EOZ).
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May 28 2015, 08:33 PM
Well, he also ran from Si Xing Long despite SS4 being enough to beat him, plus he made no mention of there being nothing he could do to beat Lood. Pan had also been absorbed by Lood, so it could've been that Goku was initially unaware of her safety if Lood were destroyed until she contacted him, similar to his fight with Qi Xing Long. Along with that, if you were to have Lvl 3 Lood > SS3 Goku >>> SSJ Goku > Lvl 2 Lood, you'd need a good explanation as to how Pan could provide such a boost.
Yeah it's up for interpretation IMO whether or not Goku running away was just Toei stupidity or because he was too weak to beat Lood. We never saw him try to transform unlike when he fought SXL so there's no solid proof either way. Good point about him being worried for Pan's safety, I didn't think about that.

The absorption of both the Para Para Brothers and the Lood worshippers provided a noticeable enough boost to Lood's power meter thing despite being weak. He probably gets illogically big boosts due to absorbing life force or whatever like Imperfect Cell did IMO.
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