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Goku SSJ3 (BoG) vs Gotenks SSJ3 (BoG) + Mystic SSJ Gohan (BoG)?
Topic Started: May 28 2015, 10:08 PM (306 Views)
SIAD
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Is that the issue seems to be very repetitive and the last time we concluded that Gotenks SSJ3 (BoG)> Mystic Gohan (Boo) = Mystic SSJ Gohan (BoG) >> Gotenks SSJ (BoG)> Goku SSJ3 (BoG) >> Goku SSJ2 (BoG)> Mystic Gohan (BoG).

 But I started thinking seriously about that when Vegeta Goku learns that SSJ3 (BoG) was defeated by two simple strokes Bills. Vegeta seems to realize that there is no chance against him, being inlcuso Gotenks and Gohan and assuming that it is true the previous chain, we can see that Gotenks SSJ3 (BoG) and Mystic SSJ Gohan (BoG) are >>>>>> Goku SSJ3 (BoG). Therefore no sense that Goku was forrage for them, considering the fear that had Vegeta. Besides, I saw the movie when Gotenks fuses, Vegeta says something like "You can never not know how powerful it is." Later when Bills easily defeat Gotenks SSJ (BoG), Vegeta says "Bills knew he was strong, but I never thought that much," one might think that was very easily defeat Gotenks or what he had done during that day.

 Personally I see so again: Goku SSJ3 (BoG)> Gotenks SSJ3 (BoG)> Mystic SSJ Gohan (BoG)> Gotenks SSJ (BoG)> Goku / Vegeta SSJ2 (BoG)> = Gohan Mystic (Boo / BoG). Taking a small multiplier for SSJ Gohan, having the base behind Goku and Vegeta EOZ counterparts (for which I have the multiplier SSJS for very small Gotenks) Trunks and Goten have equal EOZ counterparts.

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I personally assume that since Gohan could barely go SSJ from lack of training, perhaps the same thing stopped Gotenks from being able to go SS3, heavily reducing the gap between him and Goku. This also leaves a small enough gap that Vegeta could be highly cautious of someone who two-shotted Goku, yet still not imagine him to be so strong as to beat Gotenks without any effort.
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^ Great points as always. It's also a possibility that Gotenks only went SSj against Beerus because he was cocky and didn't see a need to go SSj3 though IMO.

Personally I don't see Goku being very far above his Boo arc self before he went God so the only way he can possibly win this is if Gohan and Gotenks are seriously weakened IMO.
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SIAD
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May 28 2015, 11:39 PM
I personally assume that since Gohan could barely go SSJ from lack of training, perhaps the same thing stopped Gotenks from being able to go SS3, heavily reducing the gap between him and Goku. This also leaves a small enough gap that Vegeta could be highly cautious of someone who two-shotted Goku, yet still not imagine him to be so strong as to beat Gotenks without any effort.
But it was not SSJ Mystic Gohan (BoG) was = Gohan Mystic (Boo). Besides Mystic Gohan (BoG) was clearly Mr Boo and adding a 50x multiplier should be equal to its mystical state (Boo). Therefore Mystic SSJ Gohan (BoG) = Gohan Mystic (Boo) >>>>>> Goku SSJ3 (BoG).
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Gohan's transformation was drawn as SSj in every scene in BoG/FnF except the one where he attacked Beerus. Considering that scene was drawn as SSj as well in the trailer but was changed due to fan outcry, I'd say it seems likely that he was intended to be a SSj all along and not Ultimate IMO.
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Koshka
May 29 2015, 10:19 AM
Gohan's transformation was drawn as SSj in every scene in BoG/FnF except the one where he attacked Beerus. Considering that scene was drawn as SSj as well in the trailer but was changed due to fan outcry, I'd say it seems likely that he was intended to be a SSj all along and not Ultimate IMO.
But still well above the resembled Mr Boo. Do not forget that SSJ3 Goku (Buu)> Fat Boo (Goku)> Gohan SSJ2 (Post Espada Z) >>> >> Mr Boo SSJ Gohan (Post Espada Z).
Captain Cadaver
May 28 2015, 11:39 PM
I personally assume that since Gohan could barely go SSJ from lack of training, perhaps the same thing stopped Gotenks from being able to go SS3, heavily reducing the gap between him and Goku. This also leaves a small enough gap that Vegeta could be highly cautious of someone who two-shotted Goku, yet still not imagine him to be so strong as to beat Gotenks without any effort.
Again I saw the fight Z Warriors vs Bills and Bills defeat when one shot to Mr Boo, Mystic Gohan becomes (or SJS) and he seemed confident that would defeat the Bills. I see something like this: Gotenks SSJ (BoG)> Goku SSJ3 (BoG)> = Gohan Mystic> / >> Bills (expected by Gohan) >>>>>>> Mr Boo. After being defeated Mystic Gohan loses its status and is therefore SSJ energizes when Goku and therefore in FnF recognizes that it is now just a SSJ. I see it as a good chance, you think CC? Or maybe SSJ had the same power as state Mystic. But in FnF Gohan losing its mystical state, also it makes your SSJ equals Z Sword Post your car, or even less than Mr Boo.
Edited by SIAD, Jun 1 2015, 01:47 PM.
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