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Sick Super Saiyan Goku [Android arc] vs. Super Saiyan Kid Gohan
Topic Started: Jul 9 2015, 12:13 AM (300 Views)
Mike
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Hypothetically, Kid Gohan [Android arc] can go Super Saiyan, can he beat sick SS Goku? If he does, can he beat pre-merge Piccolo [Android arc]?
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Koshka
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I dunno if this is just a weird translation but this may imply Gohan as a SSj would be stronger than even regular Goku:

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Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P8.3-5
Context: as Goku and Gohan start training in the Room of Spirit and Time
Gohan: “Dad, am I going to get in the way of your training?”
Goku: “At first, yeah. But once you’re able to become a Super Saiyan, you’ll really come in handy as a training partner, Gohan. That’s my ideal, anyway. Obviously I intend to obtain power surpassing Super Saiyan. I want to be stronger than anyone, after all. But Gohan, I intend for you to even further surpass me.”


Even without that he should win here IMO. There's good evidence IMO for SSj Goku > Piccolo > 20 (Post) > 19 (Post) > SSj Goku (Sick) and I personally don't think SSj Gohan would be that far behind the adults...
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Mike
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So you think Android arc Gohan > Android arc Base Goku?

The quote does imply that, but it seems weird to me.

IMO, it should go:

Base Vegeta > Base Goku > Base Trunks > weighted Piccolo >/>~ Base Gohan >/>~ Kuririn >/>~ Tenshinhan >~ Yamcha

Gero also saying Vegeta would make things more interesting or something along those lines before knowing Vegeta could go Super Saiyan implies Base Vegeta > Base Gohan (and everyone else there).

Gohan was also shocked he was stronger than Goku at the Cell Games, which is just odd if he was stronger than Goku before the Room of Spirit and Time.
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Koshka
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Great points. I have to agree with you. It might just be a weird translation considering nothing else seems to imply the same thing, only the opposite. Or maybe Toriyama made a mistake.

Although Gohan not knowing he was stronger than Goku Post-RoSaT is definite evidence of his inferiority before, Gero thinking base Vegeta > base Gohan at least could be based on Gohan suppressing his power. Vegeta probably used his full power to kick 19 and nobody knows if he could amplify his power the moment he attacks like Goku/Piccolo/Gohan do since Goku only learned to do that in the Freeza arc and he never trained with Vegeta.
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Mike
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I guess Herms explained it well, http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9633&p=955211#p955211.

I was thinking something similar initially, but wasn't sure how to word it.
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Koshka
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Awesome. Thanks for the link. I guess that settles the issue then.

I still think a hypothetical SSj Gohan would be above SSj Goku (Sick) due to the implied huge gaps between him and the other SSjs though but Gohan's strength at this time is all opinion.
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Yeah I think it was foreshadowing to Gohan surpassing Goku by the time both exit the RoSaT. Don't see any other way of taking the quote, actually.
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When they entered ROSAT, Goku stated that, once he achieves SSJ, Gohan will be a great sparring partner.
That indicates Gohan (android arc)~Base Goku (android arc)
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Gohan might be still close to Healthy Goku , SSj Gohan stomps here
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Withheldforprivacy made a point by mentioning the fact that Goku indirectly stated Gohan's power placement in the RoSaT, thereby implying that Base Gohan (Androids Arc) is close to Base Goku at the minimum. So, maybe Gohan wins IMO.
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Jul 9 2015, 06:01 PM
When they entered ROSAT, Goku stated that, once he achieves SSJ, Gohan will be a great sparring partner.
That indicates Gohan (android arc)~Base Goku (android arc)
Can't be, because

Base Vegeta > suppressed Piccolo > base Gohan and Base Vegeta >= Base Goku.
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Mike
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You could argue that:

Base Gohan > suppressed Piccolo > suppressed Gohan

Based on these quotes:

Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P14.3
Piccolo: “Commit this to memory: when we fight, we amplify what you guys call ‘energy’, causing it to explode. That’s why the energy you stole from me earlier doesn’t matter…”

Chapter: 281 (DBZ 87), P11.2-4
Jheese: “Wh-what’s going on…?! There’s no mistake that his battle power is only 5,000…”
Vegeta: “Ka-Kakarot rapidly heightens his battle power for the brief instant when he attacks…That’s probably to decrease unnecessary energy consumption…"

Not that has to be the case with Gohan, or that I necessarily agree with that notion, but it's a possibility in my opinion.
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