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Goku SSJ(mecha freeza saga) vs Anroid 19(initial)
Topic Started: Aug 7 2015, 03:07 AM (416 Views)
ahill1
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No absorptions; whu wins?

Goku SSJ(namek) 250,000,000
Mecha Freeza(100%) 260,000,000
Mirai Trunks SSJ(trunks arc) 400,000,000
Goku SSJ(trunks arc) 500,000,000

19(initial) ???

What do you think Mike and Koshka?
Edited by ahill1, Aug 7 2015, 06:42 PM.
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Goku stomps if he knows about absorption. Otherwise, hard to say.
Edited by withheldforprivacy, Aug 7 2015, 06:46 PM.
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ahill1
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By reaction of Tenshinhan Goku SSJ (sick) > Goku SSJ (yardrat saga). Yet Gero said that Goku was inside a level 19 could win. This does not imply that Goku SSJ sick (power up) > 19 (initial) > Goku SSJ sick (initial) > Goku SSJ (yardrat saga)?
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Tien's reaction meant AT had forgotten Tien having seen Yardrat Goku. Also, Tien never saw Yardrat Goku
actually fighting.
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Animelover5487
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Goku. If he can avoid letting 19 suck his ki long enough.

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Aug 7 2015, 08:47 PM
Tien's reaction meant AT had forgotten Tien having seen Yardrat Goku. Also, Tien never saw Yardrat Goku
actually fighting.


AT isn't a completely consistent writer but that's highly unlikely. Ten doesn't need to se Goku fight, he can sense ki.
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SuperGogeta
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Sicku > Yardrat Goku, since i have Android 19 > Yardrat Goku , Android 19 definitely stomps IMO
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Tien was impressed Yardrat Goku was that strong without fighting. So, it can still be...

Standing Yardrat Goku<Fighting Sick Goku
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Koshka
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My viewpoints may be clouded but my current minimalist BPs beliefs:

SSj Goku probably one-shots 19. Even if this was 19 (Post) he would win without much trouble IMO.

Going by Vegeta/Piccolo's statements, neither of the Artificial Humans showed the kind of power that Trunks was warning about (a power that was later retconned to being something Trunks could "fight fairly well against")

Quote:
 
Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”


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Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...


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Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”


SSj Goku (Yardrat) > Artificial Humans (Expected) > SSj Trunks (Initial) >> Android 19 (Post) >>/>>> Android 19 (Pre)
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Mike
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I don't think the Future Androids' power were retconned, Trunks just improved enough to put up a fight instead of getting flat-out stomped (at least in my opinion.)

As for Vegeta's comments on #19 and #20 not being as bad as made out to be, I don't see that as them being much weaker than initial SS Trunks. Vegeta only notes they're not as bad as made out to be, instead of dismissing Trunks' word as complete nonsense and taking away all credibility for Trunks.

And also, as for Piccolo's comment, that, to me implies #20 post is at a level where he can handily beat Trunks.

Up to that point they had kept wondering if these Androids were weaker than expected, then after Piccolo sees #20 post's movements he concludes it's possible they were weaker than expected or that they had just became too strong. The way he mentions the "too strong" part make it sound like that's the more likely option, since he mentioned it second (in my opinion.)
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ahill1
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What do guys think?

SSJ Trunks(yardrat saga) 240,000,000

SSJ Goku(yardrat saga) 300,000,000

Android 19 300,000,000
~post 400,000,000

Android 20 333,333,333
~post 424,000,000

Piccolo(android arc) 480,000,000

Trunks SSJ(android arc) 540,000,000
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John Locke
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19 max> goku ssj sick >~ 19 initial> goku post namek ssj>frieza
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Koshka
Aug 10 2015, 06:52 AM
My viewpoints may be clouded but my current minimalist BPs beliefs:

SSj Goku probably one-shots 19. Even if this was 19 (Post) he would win without much trouble IMO.

Going by Vegeta/Piccolo's statements, neither of the Artificial Humans showed the kind of power that Trunks was warning about (a power that was later retconned to being something Trunks could "fight fairly well against")

Quote:
 
Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”


Quote:
 
Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...


Quote:
 
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”


SSj Goku (Yardrat) > Artificial Humans (Expected) > SSj Trunks (Initial) >> Android 19 (Post) >>/>>> Android 19 (Pre)
It all depends on which fight you think Trunks was referring to when he made the ''fight pretty well'' statement.
To the one he put up before his first time travel? Or to some second fight he put up during the three years
before his second arrival?
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