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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 3 2015, 01:28 AM (291 Views) | |
| ahill1 | Sep 3 2015, 01:28 AM Post #1 |
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Restriction - no paralyze. |
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| Mike | Sep 3 2015, 01:37 AM Post #2 |
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Depends on my mood. I'm fine with either Kaioshin being stronger than Piccolo or with him being weaker than Base Saiyans and Bobbidi's men. I usually go with the latter more than I do the former, though, so Pocus wins for me. |
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| Koshka | Sep 3 2015, 10:43 AM Post #3 |
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Legendary Super Saiya-jin
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East Kaioshin was stated in the manga and the Daizenshuu to be stronger than Piccolo while Pui-Pui is a weakling who thinks 10x gravity is an impressive feat. Kaioshin wins no contest IMO. Dabra being compared to Cell (and being stated to have fought SSj2 Gohan in the Daizenshuu,) as well as Pui-Pui bragging about 10x gravity might suggest Babidi's underlings are supposed to be in the general range of the last three main villains IMO (Saiya-jin arc Vegeta, Freeza, Cell.) Even the person who fights each of the underlings seems to fit that theory well. |
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| ahill1 | Sep 3 2015, 02:11 PM Post #4 |
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Piccolo backed out for respect. And in the manga is never stated that Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo; Piccolo said Kaioshin belongs to another order of being; Kaioshin himself said Piccolo must have realized WHO he was - it's nothing about power IMO. I generally go with: Yakon ~ Goku base > Vegeta base > Gohan base > Kid Trunks base >= Goten base = Android 18 > Pui Pui > East Kaioshin. |
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| Koshka | Sep 3 2015, 11:14 PM Post #5 |
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Piccolo flat-out stated Kaioshin and his dimensions are too different. That's very similiar to what Tenshinhan said about SSj Goku and 23rd Piccolo said about the DB Senshi. The official Daizenshuu guidebook confirms this power difference as well. The reaction Kuririn and co had to Piccolo's statement says everything. Nobody suspected he was a God. They were only worried about fighting somebody that strong. |
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| ahill1 | Sep 4 2015, 04:17 AM Post #6 |
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Piccolo said that Kaioshin belongs to another order of being - I go with Viz, seems more accurate in this case. Kaioshin himself said that Piccolo must have realized who he was. Piccolo wonders who Kaioshin is and is confused. Kaioshin reads his mind and says he'll find out soon and Piccolo freaks out. Then Kaioshin said Piccolo likely sensed who he was. In none of this sequence was there a mention of Kaioshins Ki. Its all about who is. Piccolo sensed his godly presence and backed out of respect. Piccolo never says "what power...who is he?" Kaioshin flat out says he likely sensed who he was....there is literally nothing about power here. Its very clear Piccolo backed out of respect. Green Man did not entered in the Budokai just to give up becaude was not the strongest in it, otherwise Piccolo would not have entered in the tournament.
If you go by Herms, maybe was this that Piccolo thought; Piccolo overestimated Kaioshin's strength by his nature; by his nature Piccolo thought Kaioshin was someone tremendous, but unlike Piccolo, Goku and Vegeta realized that Kaioshin was no big deal. Piccolo >>> Goku base > Vegeta base > East Kaioshin IMO. |
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| Koshka | Sep 4 2015, 10:41 AM Post #7 |
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Legendary Super Saiya-jin
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Viz is known for mistranslating and just plain making stuff up. On the other hand the entire Strength Checker is an accurate, word for word translation by somebody with a reputation for being a reliable and honest translator. Saying you're going with the Viz over Herms is hardly different from saying you're going with the anime over the manga or the English dub over the Japanese subs because you think the former is more accurate IMO. It's never stated how Piccolo found out who Kaioshin was. Presumably he found out the way Dende found out Beers was a God: by sensing his Ki. If Piccolo sensed Kaioshin's Ki then he could've also easily found out that Kaioshin was more powerful than him. Piccolo's expectations of Kaioshin's power were never contradicted, and the Daizenshuu flat-out confirms them. Both Piccolo and East Kaioshin would probably get one-hitted even by SSj Gohan IMO so of course SSj2 Vegeta wouldn't consider him incredible considering how much even Dabra and SSj2/SSj Gohan were bashed by him. |
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| ahill1 | Sep 4 2015, 01:13 PM Post #8 |
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Viz's translations are made by a group of professionals specializing in translations. Viz generally seem to understand the context more than Herms. Dabura not being more stronger but more tougher makes a hell more sense. Viz is as credible as Herms IMO. Note the whole context; in no time Piccolo says: "What power"; Green Man did not even know why he could not take the initiative. Kaioushin himself said Piccolo must have realized who he was - do not know how to be more obvious than that. Kaioushin enters a state of disbelief to witness the power of Vegeta base: "I did not expect much" - says Kaioshin. All this indicates that Base Vegeta> Kaioshin, and Vegeta base may be stronger than Piccolo? Not, so Piccolo> Kaioushin, as simple as that. Also Kaioshin had no hope of winning Babidi and his warriors without the help of Goku and the rest, unless you think Babidi Warriors > Piccolo, which I do not think so. Piccolo >>>> Yakon =,Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Base Gohan > Base Trunks > Base Goten > 18 > Pui Pui > Kaioshin > Vegeta SSJ(android arc) IMO. Edited by ahill1, Sep 4 2015, 01:19 PM.
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| ahill1 | Nov 26 2015, 10:39 PM Post #9 |
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DBS heavily implied that Piccolo cannot sense God's ki, so he most likely could not sense East Kaioshin either. From the unlikely perspective of Piccolo sense kaioshin, I don't think that line is correlated with power. Green Man is a beast in the Cell Games, he should not be that different form Vegeta and Trunks. I have a hard time in believe Supreme Kai is stronger than base Saiyans. |
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