| Mafia Open #2 (DAY 1 - NIGHT 2) | |
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| EOE | Dec 6 2016, 07:35 PM Post #1 |
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Spoiler for Role List Players 1. Skarfelt 2. CTurtle 3. Verdant 4. Colly 5. Fighta 6. Jeshter 7. blue_persil 8. AN2 9. Lupin 10. 11. kerbykong Night 1 has ended. SuperChar is dead! Day 1 has begun. Night 2 will begin on Sunday, December 11th, @ 6:00 PM GMT. Edited by EOE, Dec 11 2016, 06:10 PM.
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 01:01 AM Post #51 |
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I swear this is going to be my downfall in at least one of these games lmao But yeah, don't really have any excuses for inactivity aside from assignments and not wanting to post when I'm in voice chat because I can't think straight, so I just sort of forget. I also found it very difficult to call anyone out for anything until this point because Skarfelt and CTurtle had a bit of a thing and it essentially boiled down to "here is my thing" "that logic isn't sound but that's ok bc it wasn't scummy" "thank" (man I probably shouldn't shitpost bc I didn't do it last game and literally anything that deviates from how I played last game could look suspicious lol) However, after looking through the DP's discussions again, there are some things I want to note. Brian's point about Skarfelt being the first to start with the randomised votes is good, and how the rest of us just played along because he and Colly are the two most experienced player. However, random voting has proven to be fucking shit and I think that reflects badly on said experienced player who should probably know better. And I do remember that Skarfelt has told me before about how catastrophic it is for town if a Mafia manages to snatch the position of town leader, so him posting first and then coming off so strong in general seem noteworthy, although again, this could be explained by his experience. Secondly, looking at CTurtle, Jonty's point about how CTurtle said his vote was random, then immediately gave reasoning on it when questioned doesn't look good on him. His point about the possibility of the mafia being experienced and that being why they killed SuperChar is also kind of weird. SuperChar was a strange case last game because of how inactive he was. They could have used this to their advantage and put suspicion on him. There are only three mafia this game. How could the mafia end up at a point where they have no obvious threats? Because as far as I can tell, the potentially biggest threats to mafia this game are Skarfelt (Based off experience), Colly (Based off experience and last game). However, if they were mafia, I don't think they could afford to just write off players like kerbykong (He was pretty fucking good last game), and yaboi (because of how much of a fucking god I am). That's four. They'd surely have at least one target. And that's just off memory, because I can't remember how Fighta, CTurtle and Lupin were. I'd look back to Mafia #1 but Day 3 and 4 are the ones I want to see the most and day 3 is rip. Mafia actually have sooooo little reason to kill SuperChar. And Skarfelt just kinda ran with "Yea it could be anybody then", which I don't really get. Finally, I'm just gonna move my vote onto Verdant to take heat off Brian, and because he hasn't really said anything aside from agreeing with Skarfelt. On that note, please EOE, do vote counts. Going through all the posts and doing the votes manually to see who voted who on my phone was such a pain in the ass, and it'd be easier on everyone if we didn't have to do them all ourselves. |
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 01:02 AM Post #52 |
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Forgot to actually move vote lol Vote: Verdant |
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| Skarfelt | Dec 9 2016, 12:02 PM Post #53 |
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Kind of absurd to say that my meme random vote was somehow less valid/more scummy than everyone else's meme random votes, especially considering I swapped onto an actual vote as early as Post #20. AN2's vote is still on Lupin "for the meme", Verdant didn't update his vote either and so on. I feel like random voting at the start of the game can be very beneficial to us - random votes on Verdant last game made him overreact and scumtell like crazy. If Maurice hadn't fucking claimed Mafia then Verdant probably would have died Day 1. I'm not expecting any member of the game to overreact quite that hard this time but there's definitely merit in random voting. You could say "well it's literal RNG" but it's not like I expected damn near every player to copy me.
There are four Mafia. Also, I'm of the opinion that this close to the deadline we probably shouldn't be voting for activity pressure any more. Say Verdant shows up on Saturday afternoon with a post, do you have time after Christmas Carnage to adapt your vote and reads accordingly?
To be more specific, who do you think is reading through and not posting? That's something to go on so you might as well bring it up. I'm not really satisfied with this response so... VOTE: AN2 |
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| Lupin | Dec 9 2016, 12:13 PM Post #54 |
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Skarfelt, you're making it seem like BP and I's accusations were any more baseless than any other that have been made thus far, which I would say quite the opposite - it's still pretty baseless lol, but so is everything -, I'll change my vote off you for the time being because if you are Town you'll be a useful resource, but I don't like how you're setting yourself up as somewhat unquestionable, and can just shake off accusations as baseless. I'll vote Anto again but not for the meme this time, just so we can get him to give a proper defence or see who his suspicions are on. VOTE: AN2 |
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| Verdant | Dec 9 2016, 12:47 PM Post #55 |
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Just posting because I havent posted in a while lul. |
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| AN2 | Dec 9 2016, 01:02 PM Post #56 |
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Okay so a lot of you need to ease the cheese. Most of what I've seen is people just agreeing with Jonty. Not everyone is doing this like a lot of people are making there own points and aren't afraid to stand up to the young fox main (BP for example) However I think some other people are just mindlessly riding the forward air footstool train on the basis that Jonty is probably the most experienced player. Then there's weird cases like lupin, who shows that he's against Mr Skarfelts points but decides to take his vote off of him and onto me because if he isn't town hell be a useful resource but isn't that a bit of a gamble? You're basically saying hey this person is really good so I'm gonna not vote for him just in case he's town and can help me. The fact that lupin is so confident in this is very confusing to me as if you've seen his falco then you know he's not a gambling man. I'm keeping my vote on Lupin as of now because while I may be suspicious of Jonty at the moment, I'm more suspicious of Lupin. |
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| AN2 | Dec 9 2016, 01:07 PM Post #57 |
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Also I'll admit that a lot of my posts have been fluff so far but this is the pinnacle of fluff coming from the young puff |
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 01:39 PM Post #58 |
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Oh fuck, that's a pretty big mistake from me, my bad. My point still stands that mafia can't afford to dump off what could potentially be an incredibly useful player to them. I also just find it really hard to believe that a player is going to crack under pressure from a random vote, especially when they know that the vote was completely random, picked by an RNG site.There's like no weight behind it. If you were, say, calling out someone who had been reading but not posting, or someone who was a strong player in the last game, that seems to have much more of an impact. I'm fully aware that I'm being hypocritical in that I've done neither of these things, but this is my second game of mafia and the first game's day one was pretty much shitpost incarnate. Also, Verdant, that shit doesn't fly. My vote's definitely staying on you. You didn't even acknowledge my vote on you, let alone contribute to discussion in any way. |
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| Verdant | Dec 9 2016, 01:51 PM Post #59 |
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Just thought I should post something honestly. It's the first night, combing through the comments nothing seems so out of place I would be 100% on putting my vote on it atm. |
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 02:04 PM Post #60 |
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That's cool, and I get that, but most everyone else has at least tried. Like me arguing with Jonty isn't me being like "HEY THIS FUCKER IS MAFIA", it's me trying to contribute to discussion and make points. I'm not even that suspicious of Jonty, but I'm not more suspicious of anyone else if you get me. |
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| CTurtle | Dec 9 2016, 02:39 PM Post #61 |
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I heavily agree with the point about using RNG. When Jonty put a vote on me in the beginning I never bothered responding to it and instead used RNG as well since I felt like I wasn't under any threat. Pointing actual fingers lead to a lot more interactions happening than using RNG. It's one of the reasons I voted for Lupin earlier the point of the vote was to try apply "actual" pressure than just landing on his name, which is why I referred to it as an "actual random vote". It definitely has put me in a bad position but I feel like it was worth it. |
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| EOE | Dec 9 2016, 04:20 PM Post #62 |
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I won't be doing vote counts in the future, but because Jeshter is on mobile and no one else seems to be keeping track of votes: Skarfelt is voting for AN2 CTurtle is voting for Lupin Verdant is voting for kerbykong Colly is voting for blue_persil Fighta is voting for no-one Jeshter is voting for Verdant blue_persil is voting for Skarfelt AN2 is voting for Lupin Lupin is voting for AN2 kerbykong is voting for blue_persil |
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 04:28 PM Post #63 |
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Thank you based EOE <3 So why hasn't Fighta voted for anyone? We're nearing the deadline and he has yet to commit. And while his point to talk about who it was that had died last night led to some good discussion, he hasn't contributed much outside of that. Where you at, boy? |
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| Skarfelt | Dec 9 2016, 04:34 PM Post #64 |
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Wow Verdants post this page were a fat load of nothing. I really dislike this excuse of "nothings happened so I will post nothing" as if that's going to find Mafia. Two of the three (plus Todd if you count him) operated under this strategy to coast. I don't wanna do a reread of the thread on mobil to see whose votes are coasting for sure but I'm fairly certain there's at least a few. Anto's response was fine but I still don't like how he only felt the need to start playing when called out on it. Happy with my vote for now. |
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| Fighta | Dec 9 2016, 05:36 PM Post #65 |
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I haven't really been active because I haven't had a lot to contribute. Didn't feel confident enough in my suspicions to try and throw out a pressure vote, and I've been against the whole random voting thing from the start. That said, I have a massive issue with Verdant's posts. At least most people who were called out for inactivity tried to contribute something or give a reason why, but he said himself he's only posting because he hasn't posted in a while, so he's essentially just trying to not get called out for inactivity. Not to mention his only other posts are a random vote and an agreement with someone else's points. We've still got a day, and since the random voting seems to have subsided for the most part, I'm going to put my vote on him unless he gives a solid defence. Vote: Verdant |
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| blue_persil | Dec 9 2016, 06:03 PM Post #66 |
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So it's Verdant-2 (Fighta, Jesh) Blue Persil-2 (Kerbykong, Colly) AN2-2 (Lupin, Skarfelt) Lupin-2 (AN2, CTurtle) Skarfelt-1 (Blue Persil) Kerbykong-1 (Verdant) There's a good chance the charismatic villager is alive though so someone might be in the lead. |
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| Lupin | Dec 9 2016, 09:42 PM Post #67 |
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Anto I'm not remotely confident in voting for you lol, as I said at Wigwam I don't really want to see you die. I'm actually changing my vote off you because if Skarfelt is Mafia I want someone else who's sceptical. Also Skarfelt chill lol, it just alienates people to call their posts "a fat load of nothing", Verdant is right that not much can be done night one, we've done a bunch of discussing and are still far from coming to anything close to a consensus, now Verdant is just more - either consciously or not - likely to disagree with you because of you getting annoyed at people not doing what isn't even necessarily the best thing to do (even though I do tend to err on your side of the fence regarding this issue nonetheless). By the by this is just Mafia mode so nothing remotely personal, I just think your approach might not be the most practical in these circumstances. Now, who to change my vote to, I don't really have strong suspicion on anyone, but sure I'll put Cturtle back in the conversation because I don't really want Verdant, BP or Anto to get lynched tonight. This is what you get for voting for me *shakes irrational old man fist*. VOTE: CTurtle |
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| Jeshter | Dec 9 2016, 10:14 PM Post #68 |
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Here, Skarfelt was completely justified in calling Verdant's votes a fat load of nothing. Because they are. I'm honestly by far the most suspicious of him at the moment. |
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| Lupin | Dec 9 2016, 11:28 PM Post #69 |
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Just because someone doesn't advance the debate by their comments doesn't mean you need to use such strong, alienating language. We all know from last game that Verdant isn't exactly the most tactical player from last game :P, and I am moderately suspicious of him - as I am of almost everyone - but honestly Fighta (and others to varying extents) are doing the exact same thing, except he made an accusation which apparently appeases the certain je ne sais quoi that is required to "advance the debate" and go under the radar, but let's be real, the debate hasn't really been advanced all that much this whole phase. As I've been saying from the start, we don't really get enough information to do an informed lynch the first day regardless of how much faux progress we make. Wow that was really aggressive, sorry guys LOL. |
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| kerbykong | Dec 10 2016, 12:13 AM Post #70 |
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This post makes me shift so much suspicious onto you. Firstly, you've openly admitted to outside comms with other players, which is fine in principal, but when it's with someone who's been posting as if they were being prodded to do so every now and then (An2) who is also relatively suspicious himself, it signals a red flag for me. An2 hasn't posted nearly enough for me to trust him enough for outside comms, so maybe Wigwam is home to the mafia chat. While this might be a bit of a stretch, you also state that you would prefer if Verdant, BP and Anto were not to be lynched, so maybe that is the list of the 4 mafia in this game. The fact that they are on the low side of post counts doesn't really help to go against that theory either. Although I'm reasonably pleased with BP's response I'm not putting him off my radar by any means. Because of the above, and because your vote was away from BP and onto what seems to be a revenge vote, I'm putting my vote on you. VOTE: Lupin |
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| kerbykong | Dec 10 2016, 12:14 AM Post #71 |
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meant to quote this one |
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| kerbykong | Dec 10 2016, 12:17 AM Post #72 |
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and again EBWOP: "Because of the above, and because your vote was away from BP and onto what seems to be a revenge vote, I'm putting my vote on you." I meant An2 |
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| Jeshter | Dec 10 2016, 12:33 AM Post #73 |
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it's okay kerby we all make mistakes <3 Keep in mind what Skarfelt said guys, Christmas Carnage is happening tomorrow, and most of the people who can't go have something else on, so this is practically the last day for like 95% of the players. If you're not satisfied with your votes right now, change it. Pressuring won't work from here on. I'm sticking Verdant because I really don't like his play from this DP. |
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| EOE | Dec 10 2016, 06:32 PM Post #74 |
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Due to Christmas Carnage halting all discussion today, I'm extending the Day Phase to Sunday, December 11th, @ 6:00 PM GMT. |
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| Jeshter | Dec 10 2016, 09:10 PM Post #75 |
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The good lord EOE coming in strong yet again ❤ |
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