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Mafia Open #3 - Day 1
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Edited by Skarfelt, Dec 21 2016, 10:55 PM.
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Day One has begun!

I cannot be bothered to think of a reason for The Grinch and Scrooge to murder elves at Christmas so fuck it. Lynch the Mafia go.

Vote Count 1.0
Not voting: Jeshter, Colly, MagiMagi, Verdant, blue_persil, CTurtle, kerbykong, Fighta, Lupin, CaptainAsherz, Redslasher

With eleven alive, the hammer to lynch is six. The deadline is 11:59pm on the 26th of December (longer deadline to account for people being busy on Christmas Eve/Christmas)
Edited by Skarfelt, Dec 21 2016, 10:57 PM.
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Colly
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Yup the bleedin lads

Vote: Lupin

Any busy nights?
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kerbykong
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So I thought N0 having no kills would help with discussion but it's very hard to be suspicious of a town that has literally done no wrong yet.

My night was shitbuzz hbu bruv

VOTE: Redlaser

"The Ash and the Slash are the maf" - Intuition
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VOTE: Lupin

Let's see what he has to say.
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Fighta
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I'm more interested in seeing what one of the new people have to say. Seeing as kerby's already voted for redslasher, I'm voting for him so there's more chance of a response.

Vote: Redslasher
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CTurtle
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Not too sure what to do right now so I'll just try to see everyone's game plan
Vote: Verdant
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Lupin
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OK, I don't have too much to say at this point in the game but considering what lynching me in the previous two games has done for us I would recommend a bit of restraint if people seriously want to kill me ;). I'll throw my vote on Redslasher for the time being to stir the conversational pot.

VOTE: Redslasher
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CaptainAsherz

I'll just vote someone who hasn't posted yet, guessing things will kick off on day 2.

Vote: MagiMagi
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Alright so 3 votes on me already not looking good.

Ok so at the time that I am typing this 7 out of 11 people have posted. 3 of those people have put their vote on me and I'm basically as good as dead if I didn't say a word. Now if I was a member of the mafia then I would imagine that there would be someone who would have come to my defence either directly by confronting someones reason to vote for me (which I guess can't be done at this point in the game because there is no evidence I dunno I just started playing) or indirectly in the form of voting for someone else to try and get them on the noose.

However both of these situations have not yet occurred and I hold the majority of votes and am likely to get killed so therefore so by my logic its very unlikely that I would be a part of the mafia. Furthermore I also find it suspicious that Lupin would deliberately vote for me in order to give me the majority vote instead of vote for someone who has already has a vote in order to make them talk.

Before he used his vote we both had 2 votes which means none of us would have died, I already had pressure to speak because I was one vote from being almost dead and he could have instead tried to get more information on the rest of the town using his vote while giving info on why we should also not vote for him and believe he is not mafia. Instead he has attempted to just get rid of me and get himself off the hook instead of using his vote to try and gain more information with the small risk of dying which makes me think that he is a prime contender for mafia just by that one action alone.

Basically I think Lupin could be mafia because he attempted to get rid of me by using his vote on me instead of using his vote for more information at no real risk assuming he gave a decent reasoning on why he wasn't mafia. Instead he used his vote to get information which was already guaranteed as I was under pressure due to almost being on the noose and also denying the town information by not forcing anyone to defend themselves at all.

That being said I can see why he put the vote on me as he could have got 1 more vote and maybe died however I think its just very suspicious because he didn't try to defend himself at all, he just went ok "Vote : Redslasher heh heh I'm off the hook good luck kid".

Now that my defence is done I'm going to deliberately not vote for Lupin here because that would be really really suspicious. Instead I'm gonna vote for Verdant in the off chance I actually don't die and more that 2 people have the same number of votes. The man also ain't talked so thats another reason I guess.

Vote : Verdant
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edit: I only just realised that I'm an idiot and there is only 2 mafia roles regardless I still think Lupin is suspicious
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VOTE: Abstain

I'm happy with that response and I didn't think my vote at the start would dog pile, just wanted to get the fresh meat into the equation. Lupin's vote also seems a bit dastardly but I'm no voting for now in case both Redlaser and he are town and I start an easy bandwagon for the evil Christmas guys.
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MagiMagi
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I want a story.

I kinda agree with Bread Paster about Lupin. He used the logic of "I wasn't Mafia in the other games so I'm not Mafia now" which is verrrry questionable.

VOTE: Skarfelt give me a story
VOTE: Lupin
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Lupin
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I wasn't actually saying anything about my status of Mafia, I was just making a genre savvy joke about hastily killing me because the last two games we've lost as a result of me being lynched. I don't want to kill Redslasher at all, the hammer is six votes, we're only half way there now so he's not in any real danger, although I'm glad he thought he was because he just gave a very satisfactory defence, and I feel the Mafia would be more aware of how many are needed to lynch. I knew that two votes weren't enough pressure to make someone properly feel they have to defend themselves (I felt no pressure when I had two myself, it's only a third of the hammer after all). I actually never considered myself and Redslasher in the same boat when it came to this like I had some ploy to shift attention onto him, it was actually just a base level "let's see what this guy says" play, and for the first day one ever, it worked out for us. Now lads stop swinging that rope around before we get some more concrete claims, that's just plain rude :P.
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VOTE: Redslasher
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you meanie :L
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Verdant
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VOTE Jeshter

looks like redslasher is actually getting screwed, and Josh hasn't posted yet so.
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Vote: Abstain
Current votes (after this):
Lupin(3): Colly, MagiMagi, blue_persil
Verdant (2): CTurtle, Redslasher
Jeshter (1): Verdant
MagiMagi (1): CaptainAsherz
Redslasher (1): Lupin
Skarfelt (1): MagiMagi (very real vote)
Abstain/No Vote: Kerbykong, Fighta, Jeshter

Jesh remains the only person to not have made any posts, but I understand it's Christmas and people are busy so I'll understand if he's just not had the time, or something. I'd like a post explaining why, but I'm not too worried if I don't get it.

To be honest, this kind of reminds me of Day 1 of game #2, where I'd put Verdant and Lupin as my main suspects. Redslasher I only really pushed because he hasn't played before and I don't know if he has any prior experience, so I thought he might have panicked a little under the spotlight, but his defence was very good and I see no need to leave my vote on him.
To all the other people who have tried to pressure vote, I mean, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Not a lot to go off of there.

Verdant looks suspicious to me because of the exact same thing he did in game #2- his posts are very little content with little other than a vote. Interesting to note that before he changed his vote he did retaliation vote onto Redslasher.

Lupin is currently closest to hammer, but he's only halfway there. His logic for defending himself, as Magi pointed out, was very "oh look what lynching me did the last two games did better not do it again!" Later he dismisses this as a joke as "there was only two votes on me i didn't feel pressured to speak!" But then, why try to defend yourself in the first place? To me it just looks like he's trying to cover up the fact that his defence was weak by dismissing it as a joke.

I'll leave my vote on abstain for now because as long as my reading of the rules is right, we'll get an extension if abstain is the lead.
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Skarfelt
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You don't get an extension on No Lynch vote. Abstaining is not a vote, you either vote for "No Lynch" or a person. You cannot vote to not vote, that makes no sense.

If the deadline is reached with No Lynch as the most popular option, nobody is lynched. If it is reached in the current state, Lupin will die. If it is tied, there is a deadline extension. If it is still tied on the next extension, there will be no lynch. I'm willing to do an extension as it seems a lot of people are busy (and people said that in Discord too) - if we don't get a surge in activity on Boxing Day (which I really doubt) then we'll get an extension.
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His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgetting

I swear I say I'm going to post every damn night but y'know, I'm literally braindead. Honestly, I'm surprised no one voted for me sooner.

So in terms of voting, I want to vote Lupin because I don't like his "Wahey, I was an important role last two games don't murder me" thing since your roles in previous games are irrelevant to your current one. So I'm going to vote Verdant because his only vote before me, which is a completely justified post, was him revenge-voting Redslasher. I'm fully aware that it can be said of me that I'm just revenge voting, but hey, no one else really stands out to me, so what can I say?

Finally, c'mon Jonty, all you had to do was make up some convoluted time travel alternate timeline bullshit for the story, ez

Vote: Verdant
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C'mon guys, I was making a lighthearted joke about how lynching me in the last two games has literally swung the balance for Mafia to win, at that stage I didn't feel any pressure but after people thought it was a genuine non-ironic defence I wanted to make sure I got in quick so that I wasn't lynched for some very questionable reason like last game. The thought of that being a solid defence didn't even cross my mind, I've played far too much Mafia to seriously use that as any sort of actual guard, I was just having a bit of fun. In fairness lads, we have a power role in this game called "Oogie Boogie", it's not exactly life and death. Well, not really.
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Lads it probably ain't a good idea to have someone lynched in the first day without any actual solid evidence so we should probably vote no lynch here. On that note

Vote: No lynch
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Fighta
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Yeah I'm in agreement here. I'd rather not end up accidentally lynching a power role for the third day one in a row due to lack of information.

Vote: No Lynch
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So I've got a few notes on people here that I'll just let people look at.
First off here are a list of people that I don't really have enough to work with to write about: Colly, Blue Persil and CaptainAsherz. Not much messages have been posted from them besides their votes and Colly asking about how the night phase went. So I'll go over the rest now.

Jeshter: So far he's been good in my books, his point about Verdant is one that I agree with and was explained well. If he starts being more active he could be pretty helpful overall.

Verdant: Verdant is on my radar quite a bit right now. I put my vote on him to try and pressure him into giving me his plans for the game but just like last game, there is no communication between him and the town. His vote reasons are usually poorly done but I don't completely think he's mafia. Verdant I'd like to ask you to try and talk to the town better because the last thing we want is to lynch is a quiet elf or PR.

CTurtle: Obviously I'm going to say I'm town but that's a given. I would like to apologise for how inactive I've been over the day. I feel like my message about me trying "to see everyone's game plan" was too vague. My vote was on Verdant was because I knew how quiet he was last game so putting a vote on him might have put pressure on him to explain how he is going to act this game.

Kerbykong: Not too much to work with here but his "intuition" about Redslasher and asherz is pretty interesting. Mainly because it's more than one suspicion from him rather than a random vote.
Fighta: His vote on Redslasher was a pretty well thought out one. I feel like he could be pretty helpful to the town. So I'd say keep him alive.

Lupin: So there is a lot of stuff going against Lupin but I don't really interpret making a "self-aware" joke about the consequences of his deaths the last two games. His defence about having three votes on someone actually felt really solid so I'd say he's good in my books. I think there might have been a bit of a bandwagon caused by Ultramarinelaser but I doubt there was that much harm meant.

Denimslasher: After having Three votes on him Orangeslasher made a really solid defence against his detractors. Lilacsash's point about a mafia helping him in a bad situation isn't necessarily something that I'd agree with though, sometimes you're going to be thrown under the bus. So Pinkslasher, you're good in my books.

That is all

Vote: No vote
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Jeshter
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See, I'm not entirely sure about that mindset, because we aren't going to get as much evidence going forward without a corpse as we will with one. And the one that the mafia provides won't really help much aside from "Well, now we know that guy wasn't mafia."

If you guys still believe it's the best idea, though, I'll go along with it. I mean, it is our 8 to their 2. We can afford to be a little bit passive.
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