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Topic Started: Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:29 pm (261 Views)
LaZ
My name is Gokhan.
Didn't want to pollute the signup thread, feel free to delete after this thread is done.

Can we force people to record, please? I understand that you don't want to delay the tournament to review video evidence. But we could continue the tournament as planned and review the video afterward. If anything questionable is there, then ban that player for the next tournament/forever (if actually caught). I just think that if any time we play a competitive game of snipers it should be recorded and the evidence retrievable on request. We're not going to get "unquestionable proof" that someone is hacking without their recording. Also, being unable to record is just inexcusable at this point.

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Sitting:
Staying in your side of the map for longer than 3 vision cycles

3 vision cycles is way too short. This would basically force us to rush 24/7. Can it at least be worded to allow for "a reasonable attempt to progress up the map"?




Also, that challonge bracket is fake as shit. Lazer/demure would never lose to rel/spec :p

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LaZ
Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:29 pm
Didn't want to pollute the signup thread, feel free to delete after this thread is done.

Can we force people to record, please? I understand that you don't want to delay the tournament to review video evidence. But we could continue the tournament as planned and review the video afterward. If anything questionable is there, then ban that player for the next tournament/forever (if actually caught). I just think that if any time we play a competitive game of snipers it should be recorded and the evidence retrievable on request. We're not going to get "unquestionable proof" that someone is hacking without their recording. Also, being unable to record is just inexcusable at this point.

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Sitting:
Staying in your side of the map for longer than 3 vision cycles

3 vision cycles is way too short. This would basically force us to rush 24/7. Can it at least be worded to allow for "a reasonable attempt to progress up the map"?




Also, that challonge bracket is fake as shit. Lazer/demure would never lose to rel/spec :p

From now on, this thread may be used for specific questions and general discussion about the tournament. Please do not post discussion posts in the signup thread, the signup's thread sole purpose is for approving applicants into the tournament

Thanks for your input LaZeR! I understand how you feel about recording. I eliminated the need to record from this tournament because I wanted to make the tournament as accessible as possible to the widest range of snipers. There are people who lack powerful computers to record and snipe at the same time. There will be people who are unable to even record in the first place, given that we have detailed tutorials.

But, then again, I wanted this tournament to be the peoples' tournament. Because of that I will start a poll in this league section. The tournament will potentially start two weeks from now, so there is plenty of time for applicants to vote. The vote will terminate April 7th, 11:59PM CST.

Sitting. I need to work on that rule. What I meant was a sniper is banned from sitting in one spot, constantly getting vis around a corner or pillar for more than 3 full vision cycles in his or her side of the map. A good example of this is Hot-side Top Mid right below the two pillars. Constantly vising to kill incoming enemies going through mid for 3 full vision cycles, in my opinion, is a sit. I will re-work the rule to make more sense. In your opinion, however, what would you consider a "sit"?

Bring DeMuRe on board, we'll see about that ;)
Edited by Relieve, Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:40 pm.
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LaZ
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But, then again, I wanted this tournament to be the peoples' tournament. Because of that I will start a poll in this league section. The tournament will potentially start two weeks from now, so there is plenty of time for applicants to vote. The vote will terminate April 7th, 11:59PM CST.

Thanks for the poll. I'll comment there.

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Sitting. I need to work on that rule. What I meant was a sniper is banned from sitting in one spot, constantly getting vis around a corner or pillar for more than 3 full vision cycles in his or her side of the map. A good example of this is Hot-side Top Mid right below the two pillars. Constantly vising to kill incoming enemies going through mid for 3 full vision cycles, in my opinion, is a sit. I will re-work the rule to make more sense. In your opinion, however, what would you consider a "sit"?


I agree, that's a sit. Since this is a contentious topic, I don't mind if the sit rule is vague and left to your judgment, I just didn't want an overly specific rule that could cause some bullshit rulings. I'll write out a more complicated sit rule tomorrow, see if you like it.

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Bring DeMuRe on board, we'll see about that ;)

Heh I'll try. No promises though!
Edited by LaZ, Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:21 pm.
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But, then again, I wanted this tournament to be the peoples' tournament. Because of that I will start a poll in this league section. The tournament will potentially start two weeks from now, so there is plenty of time for applicants to vote. The vote will terminate April 7th, 11:59PM CST.

Thanks for the poll. I'll comment there.

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Sitting. I need to work on that rule. What I meant was a sniper is banned from sitting in one spot, constantly getting vis around a corner or pillar for more than 3 full vision cycles in his or her side of the map. A good example of this is Hot-side Top Mid right below the two pillars. Constantly vising to kill incoming enemies going through mid for 3 full vision cycles, in my opinion, is a sit. I will re-work the rule to make more sense. In your opinion, however, what would you consider a "sit"?


I agree, that's a sit. Since this is a contentious topic, I don't mind if the sit rule is vague and left to your judgment, I just didn't want an overly specific rule that could cause some bullshit rulings. I'll write out a more complicated sit rule tomorrow, see if you like it.

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Bring DeMuRe on board, we'll see about that ;)

Heh I'll try. No promises though!
I have made an update to the sitting rule in the original thread, go take a look
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LaZ
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I have made an update to the sitting rule in the original thread, go take a look

The updated version looks good! I personally would say

  • If a player is around the halfway point they shouldn't fall back to switch lanes unless there's a clear flag attempt on their flag. An exception is switching between mid and right as long as it's not excessive and there is an intent to advance towards the enemy base.
  • The BV sitting rule should be stricter - it's OK to play cautiously if enemies are near your BV, but the intent should always be to advance. I don't like the usual approach of people basically going behind their turrets when their teammate dies.
  • Not advancing on your enemy's side of the map is still sitting imo, though it doesn't annoy me as much.

But I understand that we might disagree on these points so I'm happy with the rules as they are.
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I have updated the Sitting rule to account for BV defense.
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LiFTeD
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Tourny starts today? I won't be playing today, but hopefully tomorrow.
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TeaLaGe
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Is this dead?
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LiFTeD
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yep
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All that work for nothing
Edited by TeaLaGe, Wed May 10, 2017 6:24 pm.
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Nishima_Tails
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Is not dead. Some people just make me feel sick. SICK.
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LiFTeD
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Nope. It's done
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LiFTeD
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Gone
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Oragami
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The worst thing sbout sc snipers is the community of "Pros". Not suprised this didnt work out, u didnt include public or new players. Nobody wants to vs a bunch of players who obsessed over a game for 15 years and are desperatly still having tournies of who is best. All you wanna do is win 24/7 try hard mpde 24/7 spank dlers 300plus so bad they hate the game if they even stay that long.

Snipers used to be about laughs along with winning.
Now you guys just kill off new players while never bringin new rank n file to scene.
Srsly the first thing undid when u heard new patch was to try and get a who's better than who tourny, which ofc failed entirely. I hope yiu realize why.

cya sc snipers i will not be very active anymore, i even wish i were banned again. Ha
Edited by Oragami, Fri May 12, 2017 9:06 am.
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LiFTeD
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I love how the term "pro" was used for players who were good at the game. If you guys knew what pro, or profession meant, you'd know it means something done for a living. Something you do where you make money doing that can support your living needs. Sniper Pros don't make money nor do it for a living. lmao. And oddly I agree with Ora on his last statement.
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Nishima_Tails
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So i'm assuming this tourney didin't get ready to be played???!

And you all are trying to do a new tourney with ths sale playera than 4 mounths ago, So logic....

This is directly agaisn't Ora and Lifted.
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