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| FaZ- | Wed Jan 7, 2009 3:02 am Post #41 |
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I'd rather that people who don't have a fucking clue about what matters don't vote. I wouldn't mind in the least if there was a basic political test required to vote. |
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| Arbiter | Wed Jan 7, 2009 4:42 pm Post #42 |
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lol, i suppose... but still its pathetic that people don't vote it takes 10 minutes to go down to a voting station... depending how busy it is, possibly longer, and depending how far away, but seriously... its not that hard and your a fucking citizen of the country |
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| FaZ- | Wed Jan 7, 2009 5:08 pm Post #43 |
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I didn't vote. If you understand the Electoral College and didn't live in a swing state, you probably wouldn't either. |
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| Loki | Wed Jan 7, 2009 5:38 pm Post #44 |
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I voted, not that it mattered. Everyone was obsessed with the whole " Change" thing. Yeah, right...hate to say I told you so. |
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| Tonic | Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:07 am Post #45 |
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Granted, not everyone in the Democratic or Republican party is going to agree on everything all the time. But sometimes people will have to make concessions to for the sake of the greater common good. This is why people join parties in the first place, To achieve objectives that they probably couldn't accomplish individually. So you might have to disregard,at least temporarily some of the areas in which you disagree with your fellow party members so that your more important agendas can be fulfilled. It wouldn't be a very well organized political system if there were a different parties for the multitude of differing opinions in such a diverse country. We wouldn't get anything done if everyone was an independent, eh? I'm getting a bid wordy here, but I'm sure you can see my point. Besides, there are more than just two parties in this country. I disagree that your other opinions are forced, though. Sometimes our representatives make up their minds independent of their party affiliations. Respected Congressman are chastised all the time for publicly going against their own party. |
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| Loki | Thu Jan 8, 2009 8:57 am Post #46 |
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Go green party, go go go... |
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| FaZ- | Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:35 am Post #47 |
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Respected and established congressmen have the luxury of being able to oppose their party and get away with it. A new politician has no such opportunity; if he wants to be elected over some other candidate he needs to make as many people in his party happy as possible, and that means being the same cookie cutter style that everyone else in his party is. I personally think that with a fully independent government we would have done so much better. There are so fewer opportunities for ulterior motives; if something is the best for the country, it wins the simple majority vote and is enacted. Having purely independent candidates would also lead to brighter and more qualified individuals in public office, something you rarely see. Contrarily, we have people voting for things that they don't actually believe in in order to prove party loyalty and win votes. If you convince enough people to do that: Posted Image |
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| Arbiter | Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:07 pm Post #48 |
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And I suppose that's reasonable, but the countless people that don't vote for other reasons? How many people actually don't vote because they understood the crap about the election, and how many don't because they're layz |
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| Loki | Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:42 pm Post #49 |
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Hopefully not enough to make a difference, or we may have screwed ourselves for the nest four years. |
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| Arbiter | Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:27 pm Post #50 |
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Were you against Obama personally? Lol, and in Canada... theres plenty of people that don't vote that could make a difference. I mean if every1 that didnt vote, voted for like.. a communist party, it'd be near a communist majority. |
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| Loki | Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:33 pm Post #51 |
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I disagree with Obama on a number of things. However, I wasn't particularly for Mcain either. In this case, I had to choose the lesser of the two evils and think of who would be best in the position of Commander and Chief of this country. In this case it was Mcain, really because of Sarah Palin. I believe she had some damn good policies and if the media hadn't crucified her, she would of been a good benefit for this country. I never thought I'd ever say that about having a female in a position of power. However, I am one to give credit where credit is due. The woman is brilliant.
Edited by Loki, Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:33 pm.
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| Arbiter | Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:03 am Post #52 |
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I'll admit, I never really paid a hell of a lot of attention to Sarah Palin. I mean, I watched quite a substantial part of the election, but where Sarah Palin was concerned, I didn't really know much about her policies. I went with media opinion, which I admit is silly of me :O What knida policies was she heading up? |
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| DeMuRe | Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:49 am Post #53 |
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I agree. |
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| FaZ- | Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:35 pm Post #54 |
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I didn't particularly like Palin. She was too close to Mike Huckabee on a lot of her opinions and if "that guy" had won the presidency I likely would be looking into leaving the country for good. As an Independent I didn't particularly agree with Obama fully, but on the issues that mattered this election (Economy, War. Not fucking abortion or the death penalty or gay rights, shut the fuck up single-issue voters.) I thought Obama offered a more sincere solution. I can't particularly speak for the efforts of the war, but in my opinion there's no reason for us to be there without support of our allies and the UN. McCain spent more time telling everyone how Obama is going to raise taxes (which as was probably said 40 times, for 95% of you is not true) than saying what he's going to do to solve the worst economic crisis since the Depression. If I knew what McCain stood for in regard to the economy, which I couldn't find even after looking at his website, I might feel safer supporting him, but I could not support a man who is ignoring the problem. Edited by FaZ-, Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:35 pm.
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| Loki | Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:22 pm Post #55 |
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Those are very good points FaZ- One of my many issues with Obama is his whole "spread the wealth" idea. See, growing up was hard in the life of Loki. I saw Mom and Dad struggle while both trying to go to school and work their ass off to keep me and my brother fed, clean, etc. So when they both finally got their schooling done, and my dad went on to become a Dental Surgeon, my mom a dental assistant. Well, things got substantially better. Now, with Obama's plan to tax the shit out of those americans making 250K $ or more a year, I am full against that. A lot of those people who make that kind of money busted their ass and sacrificed a lot to get to where they are at. So because people in this country are lazy and don't want to work, or are just looking for handouts, they are going to be recieving money from hard working American families. Oh, wait...aren't we trying to fix the unemployment rate?? Seems like this would only motivate the lazy ones to work dead end jobs their whole life so they can keep their welfare and their government checks...everyone wants money now days but no one wants to work for it. I am a big advocate for gun rights, obviously...as are many people in the military. After Obama takes office, sometime in the near future, it is going to be harder to buy and own guns. Yet, hoodlums and gangbanger punk asses can get unregistered guns very easily. So basically what is going to happen here is we, the innocent hard working American, are going to be left defenseless against these low life gutter scum fuckers because guns "need to be controlled". Do you really think gun control will stop the flow of illegal firearms in the US? Doubt it. However, it will leave us all open targets. California, I couldn't live there if I wanted too, no offense, but you guys are just fuckin stupid with the gun restrictions...yet you have some of the most organized crime in the USA...if civillians took up arms and began defending themselves, shit would eventually decline. There are many more reasons why I did not agree with Obama. To be fair though, I will say I did agree with him on a number of issues. This really was a hard vote for me, but in the end I did what i felt was right in my eyes for this country. |
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| Arbiter | Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:15 pm Post #56 |
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Now loki, why can't more people in this planet see things logically. Too many stupid people... I swear it's just unbelievable. As for like gang violence.. just ridiculous. Unnecessary "low life gutter scum fuckers" as you put it, lol. But I agree... It's just outrageous. I'm glad I don't have to deal with the extremes... in Canada, but even here, it exists not quite as bad. Obama had some good policies yes, but I do disagree with the taxing. Like honestly, sure you want to help unemployment, but theres better ways to do that then fuck people who have worked hard over. McCain I found though, did focus a lot on bitching Obama out, so to speak. Kinda like Faz said. He did spend a lot of timing criticizing Obama, instead of just making it clear a few times. I mean people would already know... no point to bring it up again and again. Use that time you have to talk to talk about other plans you have in your presidency. |
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| Loki | Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:31 pm Post #57 |
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Lol Arbiter, I totally agree. Stupidity seems to be running rampant in the world these days. Maybe if some people's fathers had pulled out, we wouldn't have this problem, we would have just a bunch of stupid stains instead of a bunch of stupid people. McCain did spend a lot of time trying to degrade Obama's policies. That might be where his campaign ailed. It was wierd though how he went from scrutinizing Obama one week, to sticking up for him the next. That too probably hurt him. I am waiting on someone to fill Raegan's shoes, if that is at all possible. Now, that's a president who knew what America, the world, and the people needed. When he talked people listened. I can't think of anyone that even comes close in camparison to that man. |
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| Arbiter | Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:50 pm Post #58 |
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:o Loki, how old are you? |
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| Loki | Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:19 pm Post #59 |
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21, I will be 22 in March :D, u? |
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| FaZ- | Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:23 pm Post #60 |
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EDIT: Beat me to it. =/ Edited by FaZ-, Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:23 pm.
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