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9/11
Topic Started: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:03 am (1,556 Views)
Druzil
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I don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, but the logic Madox used is severely flawed. If the government shut down the conspiracy site and that guy mysteriously died, it would cause more second guessing and controversy than the website itself.
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FaZ-
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. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?


If you ignore that premise, yeah.
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Tonic
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As for the steel melting, at the temperature that jet fuel burns the steel loses a good percentage of its structural strength. While FaZ's cheese analogy is a bit simplistic, it gives you a general sense of what happened.

Sad that resources are being wasted on this when there are so many other pressing issues that need attention.
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NighT
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Well, i wouldn't say zeitgeist is completely right but i would go ahead and say they're so biased it is a good thing, people need to wake up and come to a realisation of the fact that we are being treated as if we are slaves.
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Geofari
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Well, we do act as slaves for most of our lives. We lose a good amount of our constitutional rights when we go to school. Other than that, I'm rather happy about the situation. I still have a ton of rights. Going back to that thing you call a conspiracy and how the government just wanted to go to war, what was the point? To stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for years without a clear future? I'd like to know right now what was the point of it all?
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NighT
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Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Well, we do act as slaves for most of our lives. We lose a good amount of our constitutional rights when we go to school. Other than that, I'm rather happy about the situation. I still have a ton of rights. Going back to that thing you call a conspiracy and how the government just wanted to go to war, what was the point? To stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for years without a clear future? I'd like to know right now what was the point of it all?
The banks make money off of war obviously, so if the war is sustained the banks make more.
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SaVoR
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If you think about it.. The government could care less about people who scour news reports and articles about this incident, create some website and post it. Its not full credible evidence for it to be actually true. That's why he isn't murdered and websites aren't shut down. It has to be something that actually proves it was coordinated, not suspicion.

The only thing that is credible is the video that was recovered across from the pentagon. No plane flew over but an explosion occured. Fbi instantly confiscated the video but it was brough to court so it can be shown.

If anything the gov't knew that it was going to happen, and let it happen. As far as the buildings collapsed, there's no way to prove it was either scenario. For the pentagon, no plane flew into it, and for penn in the field.. No plane debris = no plane crashing there.. Plain and simple. Think about it a little bit..
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Geofari
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:53 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Well, we do act as slaves for most of our lives. We lose a good amount of our constitutional rights when we go to school. Other than that, I'm rather happy about the situation. I still have a ton of rights. Going back to that thing you call a conspiracy and how the government just wanted to go to war, what was the point? To stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for years without a clear future? I'd like to know right now what was the point of it all?
The banks make money off of war obviously, so if the war is sustained the banks make more.
Wait, so the banks make money? I thought it was the government who would profit form all this. So are you proposing that the government didnt plan this but the individual banks did?
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NighT
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Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:57 pm
Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:53 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Well, we do act as slaves for most of our lives. We lose a good amount of our constitutional rights when we go to school. Other than that, I'm rather happy about the situation. I still have a ton of rights. Going back to that thing you call a conspiracy and how the government just wanted to go to war, what was the point? To stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for years without a clear future? I'd like to know right now what was the point of it all?
The banks make money off of war obviously, so if the war is sustained the banks make more.
Wait, so the banks make money? I thought it was the government who would profit form all this. So are you proposing that the government didnt plan this but the individual banks did?
Where do you think the goverment gets its money
Savor how about trade center 7.. which went down at a speed from the center without anything crashing into it, so it was bombed right? i would assume thats what happened.
Edited by NighT, Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:04 pm.
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FaZ-
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I'm just going to stop. I can't make you intelligent enough to do proper research.
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DeMuRe
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:37 pm
I'm just going to stop. I can't make you intelligent enough to do proper research.
That's how things normally end around here... and everywhere I go.
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Geofari
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:03 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:57 pm
Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:53 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Well, we do act as slaves for most of our lives. We lose a good amount of our constitutional rights when we go to school. Other than that, I'm rather happy about the situation. I still have a ton of rights. Going back to that thing you call a conspiracy and how the government just wanted to go to war, what was the point? To stay in Iraq/Afghanistan for years without a clear future? I'd like to know right now what was the point of it all?
The banks make money off of war obviously, so if the war is sustained the banks make more.
Wait, so the banks make money? I thought it was the government who would profit form all this. So are you proposing that the government didnt plan this but the individual banks did?
Where do you think the goverment gets its money
Savor how about trade center 7.. which went down at a speed from the center without anything crashing into it, so it was bombed right? i would assume thats what happened.
WOW! Please take an econ class or atleast google this stuff before you talk. The government makes money from taxes. Banks do not give the government anything but tax money. AND GUESS WHAT?! Taxes weren't raised. Don't that beat all.
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NighT
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Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:19 pm
Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:03 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:57 pm
Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:53 pm

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Wait, so the banks make money? I thought it was the government who would profit form all this. So are you proposing that the government didnt plan this but the individual banks did?
Where do you think the goverment gets its money
Savor how about trade center 7.. which went down at a speed from the center without anything crashing into it, so it was bombed right? i would assume thats what happened.
WOW! Please take an econ class or atleast google this stuff before you talk. The government makes money from taxes. Banks do not give the government anything but tax money. AND GUESS WHAT?! Taxes weren't raised. Don't that beat all.
A central bank, reserve bank, or monetary authority is a banking institution granted the exclusive privilege to a lend a government its currency . Like a normal commercial bank, a central bank charges interest on the loans made to borrowers, primarily the government of whichever country the bank exists for, and to other commercial banks, typically as a 'lender of last resort'.


Man i haven't even gradded yet from hs and skewld u

Do you even know how debt works?
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Edited by NighT, Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:40 pm.
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Geofari
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Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:39 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:19 pm
Kayotic
Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:03 pm
Geofari
Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Where do you think the goverment gets its money
Savor how about trade center 7.. which went down at a speed from the center without anything crashing into it, so it was bombed right? i would assume thats what happened.
WOW! Please take an econ class or atleast google this stuff before you talk. The government makes money from taxes. Banks do not give the government anything but tax money. AND GUESS WHAT?! Taxes weren't raised. Don't that beat all.
A central bank, reserve bank, or monetary authority is a banking institution granted the exclusive privilege to a lend a government its currency . Like a normal commercial bank, a central bank charges interest on the loans made to borrowers, primarily the government of whichever country the bank exists for, and to other commercial banks, typically as a 'lender of last resort'.


Man i haven't even gradded yet from hs and skewld u

Do you even know how debt works?
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Ok, first of all I was not addressing the national reserves. Second, the reserve bank does not just hand out money like that quote you from from wikipedia would have you believe, otherwise we would be in serious debt. It only recieves and gives IOUs. In other words, it sells bonds and buys bonds, not to mention that it controls the nation's money supply. So let's break this down for you because you love to play ignorant. National reserve gives the government money (in other words it buys government bonds) to invest into its military ventures. What you're saying is that the government is making money off of this somehow (maybe, possibly but due to other factors). All this time we are in the Middle East wasting BILLIONS of dollars to 'uphold the peace' and smoke out terrorists. BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! If the government is making money off of this then why are we having an economic crisis? Surely a nation that is making a considerable amount of money off of this would have it reflected in its economy. The economy is controlled by the government and thusthey reflect each other. A crappy economy shows that, brace yourself, the government does not make a profit.
Edited by Geofari, Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:15 am.
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Tonic
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Geofari
Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:12 am
Second, the reserve bank does not just hand out money like that quote you from from wikipedia would have you believe, otherwise we would be in serious debt.
ROFLMAOROFLCOPTER
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Geofari
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Tonic
Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:21 am
Geofari
Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:12 am
Second, the reserve bank does not just hand out money like that quote you from from wikipedia would have you believe, otherwise we would be in serious debt.
ROFLMAOROFLCOPTER
Am I missing something? You're making me feel very self conscious.
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NighT
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You actually believe thats what america is doing in the middle east?
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Geofari
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:33 am
You actually believe thats what america is doing in the middle east?
This is where your conspiracy crap comes into the picture. You don't have proof.
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NighT
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You realise The u.s.a. is the most hated country for a reason? right
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Geofari
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You realize that you don't have proof right?
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