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9/11
Topic Started: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:03 am (1,554 Views)
Great
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Loki
Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:52 pm
Just find some 100% truth to the allegations you posted Killer. That's all I ask. It's easy to read what someone wrote on an internet website. Proving it is another thing.
I do believe there are some thing that the government does the American people are left in the dark about. That's just how it is, some things the American people just don't need to know. It could compromise the safety of our nation or do any number of other harms.
I say if you don't like what's going on in America, then GTFO :) One less person bitching and whining about things that they have no clue about. One less person to spit on military service members as we march in a parade. One less person to call us "baby killers".
Why are you paralleling killer with people who spit on American service members? He obviously made the point to you that he doesn't hate military service members, nor disrespects them in the least. You are taking what he said and distorting it completely from its context. The simple fact that he is an American gives him every right to decent to the point just before taking action...

Are you denying him this right? It seems so. You are asking him to "GTFO of America"...

If anyone is acting in anyway un-American, it is yourself.

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The American society, to a certain degree, is brainwashed with the nationalistic mindset, "America can do no wrong, towards itself or outlying countries".


Don't lower yourself to this mentality. You, yourself admitted that the government can do some "shady things". These actions don't always coincide with what many would deem "good".

Have a bit more respect...please. Each time someone proposes ideas, they take a blow to their character. I hate that more than anything. If you can't back up what you say, don't ridicule and chastise character. Go do some god damn research.
Edited by Great, Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:40 pm.
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Tonic
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Most of the evidence showing that the WTC towers were brought down by demolition has been debuked on numerous occasions by numerous academics in a variety of fields.

The evidence overwhelmingly supports the sequence of events as reported by the 9-11 commission. Sure, you will find people looking for holes in the official explanation so they can fill them with their fantastical conspiracy ideas. They might even tout a few phD level scholars that support their claims.

In a similar vein, there is "evidence" that the first lunar landing by the U.S. was a hoax. There is "evidence" that aliens have abducted yokels from Alabama and anally probed them. And there is "evidence", believe it or not, that the Earth is flat. Here is an excerpt from "evidence" from the Flat Earth Society.

"the planet Earth is supposed to be a large, spherical shaped ball of rock flying through space at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour. But how could the Earth continue to move at the same speed for as long a time as the "round Earthers" say that it has existed for; namely, several billion years. If outer space were a vacuum, then there would be no problem. But space is not a vacuum, it is instead filled with ether."

Even in a world where the theory of evolution is accepted as true by almost 100% of the scientific community, you can still find people like Kent Hovind, with a phD no less, that argue and provide "evidence" that the world is only a few thousand years old, and that the story Noah's Ark is something that actually occured exactly as it is depicted in the Bible. Unfortunately for the reasonable among us, this kind of factual relativism is probably one of the greatest hinderances to real progress.

In my opinion, a more reasonable theory that is worthy of investigation is that the Bush administration knew of the impending terrorist attack, and then decided that it was in their best interest to allow it to unfold. This strikes me as a much more plausible scenario.
Edited by Tonic, Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:42 pm.
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Great
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I'm interested if anyone can find a decent debunk of the following:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/thermite.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_explosives.html
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Essentially forced to retire, Jones says he is now paying for research out of his own pocket. He likens himself to Galileo and Newton, who stood by their consciences. "I would like to think I could stand up for the truth," he says.


He is one of many researchers who have found thermite within the aftermath's debris//ruble.
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It seems that the physical nature of the tower's collapse (from both standpoints) can be validated, to an extent, either way.

However, I've yet to find a decent debunk of the posted link.
Edited by Great, Tue Feb 9, 2010 8:13 pm.
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Tonic
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http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/conspiracy-vs-science

http://www.911myths.com/html/grimmer__thermite_and_the_wtc.html

Especially the first link. Pretty much a point-by-point debunk.
Edited by Tonic, Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:33 pm.
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Americans are so happy that we have freedom of information and think it's a tragedy that the Chinese don't as well.

The problem is most of you are too fucking stupid to use it.

THIS WAS FUCKING DIFFICULT
Edited by FaZ-, Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:39 pm.
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SaVoR
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Who cares what brought down the towers at this point, what about the pentagon and the field in the middle of nowhere? Hmm..
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Tonic
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What about the Pentagon? No debris was found?

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Loki
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@ Great...
I was not telling him to GTFO, it was to anyone who doesn't like it here. A general statement. Hell, If I don't like where I'm at I GTFO.
You tell me to do research, well my friend...I'd like to know where you researched your "proof" (that I have yet to see) that the government of the United States of America was directly or even indirectly involved with the events that took place on September 11, 2001.
These rumors and accusations are unjust if not backed by 100% no bullshit fact. Things like this is why America is getting more and more desecrated every day.
People say there is a "conspiracy" because they want to believe it. They don't want to believe that there is in fact (I have met a few in my day) people out there who want us dead and want to see our country fall.
These people accuse the government of being involved with 9/11, they say there was no Holocaust, and some of them believe we never set a foot on the moon.
These are the same morons who defend radical Islamic terrorist saying "They are just misunderstood."
It saddens me to see that Americans can be so damn naive.
You say poor Killershot...I say poor us.
Edited by Loki, Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:20 pm.
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:15 pm
Yea, debris from something, but not a 757..

Think about it.. imagine the size of a 757 and being able to ride above the grass at that altitude and coming in from that angle. Look at photos of how that 757 shouldve maneuvered to that destination.. theres no way a 757 could have done it.. maybe a smaller plane, but definitely not a 757 as stated by the government. Some of the pieces on the grass don't even fit the scenario as described. A few pieces found but apparently the rest of the plane burnt up? No way.

And remember, dont forget Pennsylvania..
Edited by SaVoR, Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:08 pm.
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Look at photos of how that 757 shouldve maneuvered to that destination.. theres no way a 757 could have done it.. maybe a smaller plane, but definitely not a 757 as stated by the government.

I assume you know this from your years of experience piloting 757's?
Edited by FaZ-, Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:58 am.
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:58 am
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Look at photos of how that 757 shouldve maneuvered to that destination.. theres no way a 757 could have done it.. maybe a smaller plane, but definitely not a 757 as stated by the government.

I assume you know this from your years of experience piloting 757's?
You don't need personal experience to see that piloting 757 is difficult, especially for a terrorist who just took classes but had no personal experience piloting a 757 himself before this incident. A small personal plane is no comparison to a 757.
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You're a dumbass.
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SaVoR
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:37 pm
You're a dumbass.
How so? Are you a pilot? Have you even flown a plane before? You have no idea. I on the other hand have had some flight experience and it isn't easy.
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"Until we know, we cannot act. And if we act on rumor and impulse then we are no less a slave than those who live in the denial that the propaganda machines promote. So, be cynical and question things, but be analytical and scientific so you can approach the truth when you speak. Three truths don't make a fourth just by mentioning them. All lies, in fact, depend on having elements of the truth in them for verisimilitude as it's called. Read, don't repeat what you last heard. And if you are going to be more than a theorist, then give conspiracy the respect it deserves, and prove it."
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SaVoR
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:53 pm
"Until we know, we cannot act. And if we act on rumor and impulse then we are no less a slave than those who live in the denial that the propaganda machines promote. So, be cynical and question things, but be analytical and scientific so you can approach the truth when you speak. Three truths don't make a fourth just by mentioning them. All lies, in fact, depend on having elements of the truth in them for verisimilitude as it's called. Read, don't repeat what you last heard. And if you are going to be more than a theorist, then give conspiracy the respect it deserves, and prove it."
You quote this, but how can you prove its easy to pilot a 757? You can't. You just think its too good to be true that the government had an idea this was gonna happen, our country by far has the most intelligence ops in the entire world, theres no way that something like this was let slip. As far as penn and pentagon, all that was just extra icing on the cake for the government to use to act upon, and this isn't a "conspiracy" theory, its just common sense.
Edited by SaVoR, Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:43 pm.
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You forgot the part where you prove your bullshit.
Edited by FaZ-, Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:14 pm.
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SaVoR
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:14 pm
You forgot the part where you prove your bullshit.
And wheres the proof of your bullshit? Theres no video showing clearly that it was a 757 that flew into the pentagon. Remember, im not refuting the fact something flew into it, but it definately wasnt a 757.

Just because the government says that a 757 flew into it you're going to assume that they aren't lying? Why would they confiscate every video that could prove that it was a 757? You haven't shown any proof that it was infact a 757 that hit it.

what about the fact that no remnants of wings appear on the outside of the building but the rest of the plane can blow through many walls of steel reinforced concrete? Do you think that the towers were more durable than the pentagon? You would think parts of the plane would have shot through the other side of the building..
Edited by SaVoR, Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:04 pm.
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They've released every video related to the incident. If you had done even the slightest bit of research and even just looked at WIKIPEDIA, it says that quite clearly. Occam's Razor shreds your mindless drivel, but since you obviously can't be trusted to use logic or do proper research, these half dozen point by point by point refutations can serve the same role in magnifying your stupidity. But hell, why should you have to back up your claims? You can just repeat what every other mindless tool does and feign intelligence. It might even pass on sheep equal to yourself who are inept at basic fact checking.
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757 or not, that is definitely plane wreckage...not a damned missile.
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:39 pm
They've released every video related to the incident. If you had done even the slightest bit of research and even just looked at WIKIPEDIA, it says that quite clearly. Occam's Razor shreds your mindless drivel, but since you obviously can't be trusted to use logic or do proper research, these half dozen point by point by point refutations can serve the same role in magnifying your stupidity. But hell, why should you have to back up your claims? You can just repeat what every other mindless tool does and feign intelligence. It might even pass on sheep equal to yourself who are inept at basic fact checking.
Every video? Theres only 2 videos released regarding the pentagon attack, neither of which show a 757 hitting the building. There are tons of cameras surrounding the pentagon plus security cameras from other buildings that have a view of the pentagon.. why aren't they released? You still haven't answered that.

As far as your 911 myths and debunks website, which is just as bad as the websites that have conspiracy theories written all over them, showing wreckage of a few pieces of a plane does not constitute a 757. If the rest of the plan was burnt to a crisp, then why are there just a couple pieces not burnt up? I did my research, every year i decide to take a look at this 911 shit and find new stuff every time I look, so I have had 8 years of looking into it.

Before you call me an idiot, make sure that you understand all you have done in your life is just believe everyone is dumber than you are... too bad you fell pretty far from the tree to understand common sense rather than reading debunk websites to prove your theory.

My whole basis isn't on all these theory websites or conspiracy claims, its my own personal opinion on how I really think things went down. You on the other hand have a hand full of websites 'wikipedia' to back your findings, you believe everything you read on the internet other than thinking for yourself, i feel sorry for you.

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