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Topic Started: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:03 am (1,553 Views)
SaVoR
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Loki
Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:37 pm
757 or not, that is definitely plane wreckage...not a damned missile.
I don't believe it was a missle, nor do i believe it was a 757, its was a plane of some sorts but theres no way to tell, theres no proof that it was a 757 other than the fact that theres plane pieces scattered about.
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FaZ-
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You're too fucking stupid to even read the links I gave you. The Wikipedia page mentions three separate tapes that were released from various security cameras around the Pentagon. If you're aware of another one, I'm sure people would be happy to know. Dumbshits like yourself who take conspiracy theories at face value without regard for validity or evidence sued citing freedom of information and the tapes ceased were publicized.

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My whole basis isn't on all these theory websites or conspiracy claims, its my own personal opinion on how I really think things went down.

Thankfully, in any debate worth the name, your personal opinion doesn't mean shit. What matters is what you back it up with, and you back it up with nothing.
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DuBsTeP
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FaZ??? B) We need more people like you. Have you had your H1N1 yet?? you should get it we need the smart one's to live
B)
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SaVoR
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:36 am
You're too fucking stupid to even read the links I gave you. The Wikipedia page mentions three separate tapes that were released from various security cameras around the Pentagon. If you're aware of another one, I'm sure people would be happy to know. Dumbshits like yourself who take conspiracy theories at face value without regard for validity or evidence sued citing freedom of information and the tapes ceased were publicized.

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My whole basis isn't on all these theory websites or conspiracy claims, its my own personal opinion on how I really think things went down.

Thankfully, in any debate worth the name, your personal opinion doesn't mean shit. What matters is what you back it up with, and you back it up with nothing.
Wow freak out much? I don't have the time to scour websites on stuff that doesn't really matter to begin with. I was just stating an opinion.

I think its funny that you think I am still hung up on believing all these conspiracy theories when this is my own theory I believe in. You think I am all for those long videos of shit showing things that don't even make sense? I just take the event as I saw it. I really don't care what you think FaZ-, you are taking this thing too seriously and you decide to attack me on it which is pretty lame. Take your pompous ass somewhere else if you think you're better than everyone else, which you are clearly not.
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SaVoR
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Actually, you know what? After looking at those websites you linked me, I laughed pretty hard.

One of the pages consisted of all Witness testimonies (this is the internet, anything can be fudged).

A couple of the pages consisted of pictures of a couple pieces that were at the scene, the only arguable evidence of a 757 is the engine piece that was left behind.. too bad for you FaZ- you haven't a clue on Jet engines, so you just take what someone says as to be a 757 engine piece and believe it.

Another page shows the videos.. this is where its funny. You say 3 videos released showing it? Did you even watch the videos? LOL! Only ONE of them show the slightest figure of anything, and that was the first video released. The gas station video shows NOTHING, and the hotel video just shows the explosion.. so I don't know where you get a 757 out of a very blurry frame.

Now I know all you do is read these debunk articles because you seem to think I am hung up on the fact that a missile hit the pentagon, which all of these websites are debunking (THE FACT THAT A MISSLE DIDN"T HIT IT) Too bad I am not claiming that buddy, I am claiming something other than a 757 hit it, probably a smaller plane of sorts, but you are blind of that fact cause you are taking my argument at face value instead of reading it carefully.
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Tonic
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I don't have the time to scour websites on stuff that doesn't really matter to begin with.


What the fuck? You mean you don't have time to scour websites that will refute every little misguided opinion you might have?

So you disregard any factual evidence when reaching your conclusions? The only thing that is important to you when formulating opinions is what you feel? Thank God the rest of the world doesn't work like that. I feel sorry for you and the paranoid life you must lead.
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SaVoR
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Tonic
Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:37 pm
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I don't have the time to scour websites on stuff that doesn't really matter to begin with.


What the fuck? You mean you don't have time to scour websites that will refute every little misguided opinion you might have?

So you disregard any factual evidence when reaching your conclusions? The only thing that is important to you when formulating opinions is what you feel? Thank God the rest of the world doesn't work like that. I feel sorry for you and the paranoid life you must lead.
Refute all my opinions? As far as all those websites listed and any other website listed it doesn't refute my opinion that a 757 didn't hit it.

There isn't 100% proof that 757 hit it, in case you haven't forgotten, the target was a federal building, and if they knew about the impending attack then they would have plenty of time to plan things to plant at the site and block off any bystanders that could get in and really see what was in the rubble.

Also, don't forget the target was a side of the building that was under construction and no ranking pentagon official was killed.

Now.. if I were a terrorist and I really wanted to do damage.. I wouldn't attack a side of the building that was under construction.. I would aim on the other side. And if the terrorists planned so much to collaborate something of this magnitude, they wouldn't overlook something that was publicly known.


Are both of you completely retarded or what? Have you even read my statements? Apparently not.

I'll go over it for you again so you have another chance to read.
TWO HIJACKED PLANES HIT THE TOWERS - THE GOVERNMENT KNEW ABOUT THE IMPENDING ATTACK - THE PENTAGON WASN'T HIT BY A MISSLE OR A 757 PLANE, IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE - THE PENNSYLVANIA PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN BEFORE IT MADE ITS FINAL CRASH
Edited by SaVoR, Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:47 pm.
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Great
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KRJ4x82L0

Interesting Vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMhl-S5MyAc&feature=related

Another.
Edited by Great, Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:01 pm.
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Great
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Sorry for the double post. I advise everyone concerned with this to watch the second video in its entirety.
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SaVoR
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:54 pm
This is the exact reason why I believe they knew the attack was going to happen.. I don't believe that the planes crashing into the tower could cause them to collapse.. there were extra forces at work there.
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Free fall speeds = detonation.

Its physically impossible. For all three buildings that fell that day.

Take note of the remaining column cluster after the buildings implosion in the first video.

Savor, I respect you and your questions. Its a shame others can't do the same.

Science argues both ways; however, holes within the validity of one opens the door to further questions. Those holes obviously exist - there is no denying this.
Edited by Great, Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:17 pm.
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Great
Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:06 pm
Sorry for the double post. I advise everyone concerned with this to watch the second video in its entirety.
The 2nd video is a fucking hour and a half long.. u fucking serious? Dude we got better stuff to do fucking faggot
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Tonic
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Great
Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:16 pm
Free fall speeds = detonation.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Please read it.
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SaVoR
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Tonic
Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:37 pm
Great
Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:16 pm
Free fall speeds = detonation.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Please read it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

Please watch this.

Theres a difference between a controlled demolition and using thermite to weaken the columns. Your debunk website disproves the demolition theory, but does not disprove the thermite theory.
Edited by SaVoR, Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:25 pm.
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Tonic
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SaVoR
Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:22 pm
Tonic
Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:37 pm

Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Please read it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

Please watch this.

Theres a difference between a controlled demolition and using thermite to weaken the columns. Your debunk website disproves the demolition theory, but does not disprove the thermite theory.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
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SaVoR
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Tonic
Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:24 am
SaVoR
Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:22 pm

Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

Please watch this.

Theres a difference between a controlled demolition and using thermite to weaken the columns. Your debunk website disproves the demolition theory, but does not disprove the thermite theory.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
So your avoiding the wtc7? Oh wait, that debunking website has it all lol... What a joke. You even said yourself the govt knew about it yet your throwing debunk websites out at me. You're just as bad as me about this.

That thermite page means nothing, a tower doesn't have to fall by using thermite to go thru the whole colum, it can weaken it to bring it down.
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FaZ-
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Not worth it. As I've said before, I can't make you be intelligent enough to do proper research.
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Tonic
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Yea, that website has it all. Try reading it, you might learn something.

And I said that the theory of the government knowing and letting it happen was a more plausible theory than that which involves the United States government actively planning and executing the attacks. I didn't say it was what I believed.
Edited by Tonic, Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:34 am.
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DuBsTeP
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popular mechanics=debunking 911=government contracts??????

why did a tech & mechanic's magazine try to debunk911??????????

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And I said that the theory of the government knowing and letting it happen was a more plausible theory than that which involves the United States government actively planning and executing the attacks. I didn't say it was what I believed.


Well, tha government trained most of the hijacker's so....... :blink:

look up Operation Northwoods



FIRST TIME A PLANE WAS USE AS A BOMB, FIRST TIME A BULDING WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY A AIRPLANE, FIRST TIME WE DIDNT RECOVER THE BLACK BOXES, FIRST TIME A BULDING FELL WITHOUT NOTHING HITTING IT (WTC7) ,FIRST TIME A HOE SHIT LOAD OF GOLD WENT MISSING.FIRST TIME WE FIND A ID CARD ON GROUND OF ONE OF THE HIJACKERS BUT NO BLACK BOXES.

ITS FUNNY HOW WE CAN HAVE 4 JET AIRPLANES FOR THE SUPERBOWL BUT............NONE FOR A TERRORIST THREAT??????









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SaVoR
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:20 am
Not worth it. As I've said before, I can't make you be intelligent enough to do proper research.
Doing proper research by having other people compile a whole bunch of information that could potentially be wrong on a couple of debunk websites?

There are just as many conspiracy websites as there are debunk websites, all you have been doing is pointing me at websites instead of going.. "Hmm, this actually makes more sense.. maybe some of these debunk websites are WRONG"

Remember, debunk websites are theories as much as the conspiracy is. There is no actual HARD evidence that flight 77 hit the pentagon because of the fact only an engine could only be the identifiable part of a plane. There is no actual hard evidence that the jet fuel from the planes weakened the steel columns in the twin towers to bring them down, there is no actual hard evidence that fires brought down WTC7, all are just THEORIES ON A DEBUNK WEBSITE.

Doing proper research would involve you physically going places and getting the information yourself, not religiously following a couple websites on the internet.

Tonic
 
Yea, that website has it all. Try reading it, you might learn something.

And I said that the theory of the government knowing and letting it happen was a more plausible theory than that which involves the United States government actively planning and executing the attacks. I didn't say it was what I believed.


Did I say the government actively planned and executed the attacks? No. I said they let the terrorists attack the towers, but I also said that the possibility of the buildings collapsing due to fires is not very likely, and the fact that WTC 7 falls as fast as a building would in a controlled demolition strikes a few concerns. Those videos thrown on the debunk website about how fast the towers actually went down seemed to be slowed down a little bit to show their theory better. Have you ever heard of video editing?

As far as eye witness accounts, yeah tons of people saw a plane, but none of them said it was definitely a 757 until they found out 757's were hijacked. In a time of crisis people sometimes fudge what they see, a good example is quite a few witnesses claimed that the plane hit the ground before it hit the building but they were obviously wrong right? The grass was clean.

Maybe you should do a little common sense research, it goes a long way. Thinking in your head about what would be more likely to happen than a couple debunking websites swaying your position on the subject is a better choice.

Remember the day that it happened? I very clearly do. I know terrorists attacked the towers, but the second WTC7 fell.. I was like.. wtf? Why? It fell much faster than the other two.. that didn't make any sense.. there was no conspiracy websites out there for me to see at this point was there?

For the pentagon, shit.. that was an obvious thing right there. How can someone with very little experience maneuvering a plane well enough to not scar the grass but hit the first two floors of the pentagon? After hearing no pentagon officials were killed, that struck another concern in my head. Why was there nobody there? Did they know it was coming? After then I found out it was under construction, which made me laugh because why the hell would a terrorist attack the side of the building that was under construction.

All these gaps popped in my head right away, nobody flooded false information in my head, I didn't see any conspiracy videos either. Unfortunately for you guys, you fall easy under "debunk" websites which have no official credibility, people host a website and scour the internet to compile as much photos and quotes as they can to get the information. Photos are photos, but quotes and other information they took can easily be wrong.

Do you think these people physically went out to the rubble to collect samples of the wreckage? Do you think these people physically went out to interview people? Do you think these people physically did the experiments to debunk the thermite theory? They all just say "its not possible, it doesn't make sense that it would happen" That to me looks like something a conspirator would say.

Think about it kidlets before you get your panties all up in a bundle about this whole situation.
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