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| DeMaGoG | Wed May 7, 2008 3:33 pm Post #81 |
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Only one religion is correct, that's where faith comes in. If you don't have faith, then you don't understand it, and you shouldn't criticize it. |
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| Relieve | Wed May 7, 2008 5:18 pm Post #82 |
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Very true. Christianity is about having faith. There is no way to prove or disprove of Christianity. The only problem I have with religion is that it causes death to people. |
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| Sarge | Wed May 7, 2008 5:56 pm Post #83 |
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Only one religion is correct. Of course thats your religion, which means everyone else is wrong. Its like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets, just hope you get the right religion? |
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| FaZ- | Wed May 7, 2008 6:14 pm Post #84 |
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More like Russian Roulette with a 1000-chamber barrel that just keeps getting bigger. And you can't even be sure that one of the chambers is empty... I'll live morally and not waste my time with religion. If a just and omniscient God does exist, he'll respect logic more than faith in something that has no evidence. |
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| DeMaGoG | Thu May 8, 2008 1:09 am Post #85 |
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So I realized this today. Everyone has faith, because faith is believing in something. So even atheists and the like have faith and are therefore religious. Religion isn't having a belief in a god/afterlife, it's having faith in regards to something, and religion as we know it has faith in regards to god(s)/afterlife. I think the only way one couldn't be religious is if the thought of something after death never crossed their mind. To have faith in something one must choose between having faith in it or not having faith in it (the latter is the same as saying they have faith that something isn't a certain way). That is all just an observation on my part, I'm not using it as an arguement, though feel welcome to argue against it, you may bring up a good point and change my mind, especially since I've put almost no thought into it :P Saying all of that though, I guess it's ok to criticize other people's faith haha... but not in a negative way. One should respect another person's faith and not dog on them by saying believing in such a thing is prepostorous based off of no evidence (that was just and example). Besides, if there is no evidence, the fact that there is no evidence can't be evidence to support either side (something more to life or nothing more to life). I like rambling, but I'll stop here XD |
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| Geofari | Thu May 8, 2008 1:34 am Post #86 |
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you dont have to respect others' faith. there are just somethings you cant live with and are not acceptable. |
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| FaZ- | Thu May 8, 2008 1:49 am Post #87 |
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Minus agnostics, yes. That's why I'll never call myself an atheist. In order to do so, I would have to have reasonably conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. While it's a strong possibility in my mind, it's by no means proven, and I'd be a hypocrite to have faith that there is no god. |
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| DeMaGoG | Thu May 8, 2008 8:17 pm Post #88 |
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I'm not saying you should respect their faith as in their religion, I'm saying you should respect their faith as in their choice to believe in something. Faz could you explain agnostics for me? I could look it up, but I want to hear it from you. One of my friends is agnostic (or so she says) and she said it is when a person can't decide what to believe. |
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| FaZ- | Thu May 8, 2008 9:55 pm Post #89 |
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To me, it means that I live my life without religion. There are different forms of agnosticism, though. Generally, your friend is right, it's when a person looks objectively at the evidence supporting various gods, and decides that they don't feel any of the arguments hold weight. I feel that it's useless to pursue something that is unknowable, though some agnostics do believe that there is a god, and simply don't follow any organized religion. Some also feel strongly that if a god exists or existed, he no longer cares about this world and thus it's still useless to have faith. This doesn't necessarily make me any more moral or immoral than someone who lives with religion, though prison records actually show that Atheists/Agnostics are much less likely to be jailed than Christians. That might just mean that we're smarter and harder to catch, though. =D |
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| Geofari | Thu May 8, 2008 11:01 pm Post #90 |
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that sounds a lot more like aethism and deism xD |
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| Am25 | Fri May 9, 2008 1:18 am Post #91 |
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im not religious or anything but for some reason everytime im in a dangerous sitatuation i always find myself asking god to protect me so ehh |
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| DeMaGoG | Fri May 9, 2008 1:45 am Post #92 |
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What prison records? Obviously religion has nothing to do with intelligence, but I'm pretty sure you were joking (it's hard to tell without hearing a person). But as for morality, that isn't affected by religion. Morals are a person's own ideas as to right and wrong. Religion tells a person what is right and wrong. Values are a mixture of the two. And ethics are just plain complicated :-p |
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| FaZ- | Fri May 9, 2008 3:42 am Post #93 |
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These ones: http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm The data is disputed due to the fact that it is transcribed, rather than directly given. It does however show Atheists vastly underrepresented. I'm writing a 5 page annotated bibliography that says the exact opposite of what you consider "obvious". Here are a couple of sources you'd probably find eye opening, most specifically the first one, though it's limited to only the United States. http://sda.berkeley.edu:8080/quicktables/q...rtKey=gss04%3A1 (Sort by religious preference and highest degree earned.) http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm |
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| DeMaGoG | Fri May 9, 2008 1:52 pm Post #94 |
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The first site: 86.1% of people that complete graduate school are religious? That doesn't seem to support what you are saying. The "other" section is low, but what does it mean by "other?" With the way the data is shown, how do we know the number of people in each religion? 61% of people that only went through high school are protestant, but 51% of people that got a graduate degree were protestant... those numbers just don't seem right. And this doesn't support intelligence, just shows percent of each level of schooling that was completed by each religion/non-religion. The second site: The criteria of that are people who think religion is "very" important. How important is very important? I'm sure there are other criteria that could be compared to a country's IQ level... Some country's average IQ's were below where "retardation" is said to start (I think it's 75). That means more than half of the population are legally retarded. That makes no sense. I think a better cause of these lower IQ levels would be the education systems in those countries, and the economics. In many of those countries I'm sure most people drop out of school early to work. With this lack of education, of course they wouldn't do as well on an IQ test. If you could show the percent of people who drop out of school by grade level, or just the percent that complete high school, I'm sure you would see a similar corrolation. Looks to me like you need more research. |
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| FaZ- | Fri May 9, 2008 2:07 pm Post #95 |
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That better? Also, you need to learn how to interpret graphs. And if you think it doesn't take intelligence to earn a Doctorate degree, I'm not sure where to go. |
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| DeMaGoG | Sat May 10, 2008 1:14 am Post #96 |
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Well, interpret it for me, 'cuz those things were pretty confusing (not to mention I'd been working outside all day, makes me mentally fatigued). And I'm really good at interpretting graphs by the way. And I didn't say earning a doctorate degree doesn't take intelligence, it just doesn't seem like that data has anything to do with intelligence. Also, you just reminded me of a question I had about intelligence, which I'll go start a new topic about now. |
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| FaZ- | Sat May 10, 2008 2:00 am Post #97 |
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Interpretation: Smarter people are more likely to be atheists or agnostics. If you're really good at interpreting graphs, I wouldn't have had to tell you that. |
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| DeMaGoG | Sat May 10, 2008 6:35 pm Post #98 |
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So I thought you've been saying atheists/agnostics are more likely to be smart. And no one is perfect... well there was this one guy, but we killed him. |
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| Lintendo | Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:22 pm Post #99 |
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its sad too.... but lol |
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| Geofari | Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:12 am Post #100 |
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if he was perfect then he would be more than perfect in just his virtues yes? did he blind people with his radiant teeth and lush wavy hair? |
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