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The CSR, its ups and downs; Good and Bad things about the league
Topic Started: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:26 pm (226 Views)
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The Cumulative Sniper Rankings system looks great! There are just a few issues that I've found that could be improved upon.

For claiming against hacks, a screenshot wouldn't prove anything. It's not even partial evidence.

If you backstab by accident, does that disquallify you? I know it happens sometimes when you awalk.

The rule concerning disconnects is quite sketchy. People can unplug their modems and wait the 5 minutes, wasting time. The person who disconnected adding together the scores is quite tedious. Personally, I think that if someone disconnects, their team should receive a loss for the game. What if they disconnect twice? If you want to keep the disconnect rule, you should definately make it so that the game continues only if the player disconnects during the first half.

Hosts should not be able to host tournaments at "any time" Most people work and do other duties during most of the day, perhaps we should reduce the time frame down to maybe 7 pm eastern to 12 am midnight. This would make it more organized in that aspect. This is especially important because the rules state you need to play in 1/4 the amount of tournies the most active player played.

Three months seems like a long time for a season. Perhaps one month would be more suiting?

Excellent work setting up the tournament, Klit! There are a lot less holes in this setup than any other I've seen, and just thought these things should be addressed =) Thanks!
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Screenshots and Claiming: The only reason this is there is to cutdown on un-needed reschedueling. The screenshot will prove they at least have a file recorded. Maybe we could modify this and make everyone bring up the alliance screen at the beginning of the game. Then the screenshot will be taken during that portion of the video. Of course the FULL video must be uploaded within 24 hours.

If You Backstab By Accident [as of right now]: You are disqualified. No matter how you look at it, it puts your sniper in a more favorable position to bonus. That goes for whether it is your snipers 1st, 3rd, or 5th kill.

Disconnection Rules: If someone disconnects, they aren't adding anything together they are simply posting screenshots. Of course someone will have to account for the stats of the person who dropped. This would be like Mav and Snipers traditional way of adding up stats in that someone would have to supply that users kills/deaths/flags/bonus' at the time of the drop.

Of course I agree with you in that if someone disconnects they should receive a loss. However, you have to look at both sides - if you are in a tournament during a storm and your power goes out you are pretty much screwed out of a game. This in turn totally messes up your stats. Disconnecting during the first or second half really has no bearing. The only issue that I see coming from it is that the game would start at 30:00 which means the sides would be set for the normal time which would most definitely not matchup with the time of the drop. I'm not really sure what to do about this but I want it resolved before Sept. 1.

The goal of the league is to allow for diverse schedules. Just because a tournament is being hosted, does not mean you have to be there. Again, someone may participate in an outrageous amount of tournaments compared to other players. In that situation I will have to modify the formula to exclude outliers and go off more of a percentile. In fact, I may figure out a formula like this before it initially starts.

I am open to decreasing the season time if other people wish to do so. I have always been in favor of 1-month tournament lengths.

Anyone else have comments or feedback based on what Solar is saying?
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noob
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Aug 28 2008, 11:26 AM


Hosts should not be able to host tournaments at "any time" Most people work and do other duties during most of the day, perhaps we should reduce the time frame down to maybe 7 pm eastern to 12 am midnight. This would make it more organized in that aspect. This is especially important because the rules state you need to play in 1/4 the amount of tournies the most active player played.

How about the almost half of us who live on the west coast or anywhere not EST, That would put tournmaents at like 4pm for me.. The rules allow for hosts to host whenever..that should only benefit the people who have tight schedules, not hinder them..This is because they can get on when they can, and as long as other people are on too, they can have a tournament right then and there..

And lets say one or two people play an outrageous amount of tournaments more than the rest of the field and people who are fairly active dont quite make the 1/4, that rule can be altered as the season goes on as it become clear there is a problem with it, thats why the "All rules are subject to change" clause is put in..

Don't fix something that ain't broke?
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BaSe
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Aug 28 2008, 11:26 AM
The Cumulative Sniper Rankings system looks great! There are just a few issues that I've found that could be improved upon.

For claiming against hacks, a screenshot wouldn't prove anything. It's not even partial evidence.

If you backstab by accident, does that disquallify you? I know it happens sometimes when you awalk.

The rule concerning disconnects is quite sketchy. People can unplug their modems and wait the 5 minutes, wasting time. The person who disconnected adding together the scores is quite tedious. Personally, I think that if someone disconnects, their team should receive a loss for the game. What if they disconnect twice? If you want to keep the disconnect rule, you should definately make it so that the game continues only if the player disconnects during the first half.

Hosts should not be able to host tournaments at "any time" Most people work and do other duties during most of the day, perhaps we should reduce the time frame down to maybe 7 pm eastern to 12 am midnight. This would make it more organized in that aspect. This is especially important because the rules state you need to play in 1/4 the amount of tournies the most active player played.

Three months seems like a long time for a season. Perhaps one month would be more suiting?

Excellent work setting up the tournament, Klit! There are a lot less holes in this setup than any other I've seen, and just thought these things should be addressed =) Thanks!

Screenshot just proves they have a video so the tourney can move on.. It would be obsured to wait for some1 to upload a video then play the next round.. If the video is failed to be uploaded... then that team will receive a loss and the tournament will not count until all games are rescheduled..

If you can think of a better way.. I'm sure Klit would be more than happy to change that rule.

Backstabbing rule.. if u kill your partner it is a violation but the rule is meant for Bonusing off of backstabbing or to boost your stats.. so to answer your question.. if its in the beginning of the game or in the middle and does not result in any participation of a bonus.. I will let it slide as a tourney host.

If you have a 3 kill sniper then kill your partner then kill an enemy sniper and bonus.. That is cheating and you will be disqualified.
If you decide to be cute and bs your partner at end of game to get mvp.. you will be disqualified.. and if it happens again you will be banned from the league.

Disconnect rules: This rule was added because people were complaining about being up by 100 and disconnecting and receiving a loss... 5 minutes is a very fair time to wait.. and this rule could end up helping you out solar. It is the person's responsibility of the dropped partner to take the screenshots.

But i see what you mean.. because of sideswitch you can't really take off where u left off unless you get threw the first half, fairly atleast. (b/c one team will have ample more time on one side of the map).. HMM good point solar ::?::

Most tournaments will definitely take place between 7pm and 12am.. but the good thing about this league is.. If there are enough people on and a host on.. we can get a tourney anytime.

The objective for this league is to rank the active sniper community.. hmm Do you think we can accomplish that in one months time?? 3 is about right and if it starts dying out then we can cut the season short and move on to the playoffs ;o.
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Yeah the backstab rule shouldnt be so black and white, if they do it accidentlly and then get a kill or two and die it should be fine...but if they do it and bonus with that same sniper, then it should be a dq no matter if it was the 1st 2nd 5th or 13th kill on the sniper
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Aug 28 2008, 05:32 PM
Yeah the backstab rule shouldnt be so black and white, if they do it accidentlly and then get a kill or two and die it should be fine...but if they do it and bonus with that same sniper, then it should be a dq no matter if it was the 1st 2nd 5th or 13th kill on the sniper

That's like saying if you kill your teammate's sniper you should run in the opponents base, stand there, and let them shoot you. Because if you bonus with that sniper you will get DQed. Either way a backstab is padding the offending snipers stats and butchering his partners. Not to mention its a 2 point swing in the MVP counter.
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Or how about we stop being so technical with it, and just subtract one kill from the BSer at the end of the game, and one death from the BSee at the end of the game. The point they received can just be removed, and if it was for a bonus, all four points can be removed. If their win was between 1-4 points somehow, oh well. That seriously is a fucking retarded rule. I mean, I only accidently bs once in a blue moon, but if it ever did happen and I had to lose a game for it, then I'd probably resign (not that I'm in it anyway, but I'm just making a point) until my win was awarded in full + my ending stats, or I'd just stay out of it.
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Accidental BS should only be a loss if the player bonuses with that Sniper. It happens sometimes, and losing the game because of it is just dumb. It gives the other team a free chance to advance down the map, too, so it's not like you're just increasing your score and your partner respawns right next to you immediately.

As for season length, I like shorter too. Maybe like 4 weeks and 1 for playoffs?
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Aug 28 2008, 06:16 PM
Or how about we stop being so technical with it, and just subtract one kill from the BSer at the end of the game, and one death from the BSee at the end of the game. The point they received can just be removed, and if it was for a bonus, all four points can be removed. If their win was between 1-4 points somehow, oh well. That seriously is a fucking retarded rule. I mean, I only accidently bs once in a blue moon, but if it ever did happen and I had to lose a game for it, then I'd probably resign (not that I'm in it anyway, but I'm just making a point) until my win was awarded in full + my ending stats, or I'd just stay out of it.

Maybe we could do something like this. If a player gets BSed he can make a claim to get the stats recalculated. I don't think the points should be recalculated too though. Accidental or not, you still screwed up.

What happens if the BS is accidental and it just so happens that that kill is for a bonus? I don't see how an accidental BS in this situation is any different.
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As I said, if he bonuses with the sniper it should be a loss, but it's much rarer that you accidentally BS for a bonus than that you accidentally BS.
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Aug 29 2008, 10:39 AM
As I said, if he bonuses with the sniper it should be a loss, but it's much rarer that you accidentally BS for a bonus than that you accidentally BS.


Well, regardless of what you think, people can still abuse this. The game is down to the wire. They shoot their partner on first kill with the intention of getting 4 more kills. This is much more likely than getting 5 kills. My point is, there is no way to determine whether the kill was intended to bonus on or not. You can't just put in a rule that is conditional under certain circumstances. That is dumb.
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BaSe
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Lets say First 20 minutes of game All bses resulting or attempting to bonus result in DQ + warning

All Bses after first 20 minutes result in instant DQ + warning
(you can claim for this.. just need replay and time)
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noob
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Aug 29 2008, 10:49 AM
Lets say First 20 minutes of game All bses resulting or attempting to bonus result in DQ + warning

All Bses after first 20 minutes result in instant DQ + warning
(you can claim for this.. just need replay and time)

Whats difference between just a DQ and a warning, and an INstant DQ and warning? lol
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Aug 29 2008, 10:37 AM
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Aug 29 2008, 10:39 AM
As I said, if he bonuses with the sniper it should be a loss, but it's much rarer that you accidentally BS for a bonus than that you accidentally BS.


Well, regardless of what you think, people can still abuse this. The game is down to the wire. They shoot their partner on first kill with the intention of getting 4 more kills. This is much more likely than getting 5 kills. My point is, there is no way to determine whether the kill was intended to bonus on or not. You can't just put in a rule that is conditional under certain circumstances. That is dumb.

I never said anything about intent. If he bs's a teammate, and bonuses with that sniper, it's a DQ. It doesn't matter whether it's the 1st, 3rd, 5th kill, or one kill out of 6, or whatever.

If the other team is paying attention, it will be easy to tell.
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If you look at the video of the person who BSes, it should be obvious (most of the time) whether it was on purpose or not.
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