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| Tweet Topic Started: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:26 pm (325 Views) | |
| DeMaGoG | Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:26 pm Post #1 |
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Level 23
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So I've never understood... what is wrong with sitting? Seems like everyone expects this game to be completely one dimensional as in attack the other teams base and then try to flag. Well I've always liked playing a little more defensive (though I suck right now haha). So it just annoys me when other people complain about sitting. I don't stay in the middle for minutes at a time or anything, but if I think the other team will be coming from a certain direction, I will blind/fog that direction until I decide to move (5 - 20 seconds? my sense of time is poor). This game is called snipers after all... last time I checked snipers don't run around shooting at people, they sit in one place. |
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| Relieve | Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:34 pm Post #2 |
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SoniC
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Yes because Ghosts can shoot like 5 miles far right? Haha |
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| FaZ- | Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:47 pm Post #3 |
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Level 39
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The game is called Sniper Paintball, actually. If someone sits in walks or with ocular implants, thanks for the free chance at your flag. It's only a problem because of the modern game and how ridiculously hard it is to kill someone that's sitting. |
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| ][-][uRRiCaNe | Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:55 pm Post #4 |
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Owns Hackers
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It's not ridiculously hard to kill someone who is sitting :ph43r: . |
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| BaSe | Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:58 pm Post #5 |
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Level 27
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really u nvr give up on ur ocular implants thing do you? LOl |
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| Princess | Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:51 pm Post #6 |
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Banned
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The definition of "sitting" has kind of changed. My defense has always been (and I get sits called on me once in a blue moon) people move around the map with their cursors ready to lock you no matter where they go. People who die to sits actually lock the sitter about half the time, I'm guessing, because they expect the enemy to be everywhere at anytime, with the exception of right beside the flag a minute after they spawn. Thats the REAL sitting. You can't call sits on someone if you expect them to be there. People just get pissed off when they die to someone who wasn't advancing through the map as quickly as they were. EDIT: And the Ocular Implants idea is actually a good one if people wouldn't be so afraid of having to change their playing style a little bit. Sure, blinding would be harder, but I'm probably the most hardcore blinder on these Forums, and not even I'm opposed to it. Having the extra vision WOULD cure the "sitting" people bitch about, it'd nerf SA/AutoIt/RTOH. I say it's at least worth a shot. The change would be good, that's why I loved the terrain changes in KLiT's new map. It kind of motivated me to play again because it wasn't the same shit I've been doing since v310. |
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| Relieve | Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:20 pm Post #7 |
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SoniC
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You say Ocular Implants may be a good idea. But quite honestly, you are the only person/2 people - 5 people who agree with this idea. It will open up some more ideas but let's not have Ocular Implants argument again. *Cough* SaVoR. I used to think of Sitting as just standing still anywhere in the map for a period of time. But as snipers aged throughout the years, the definition really changed to waiting up in the area of your base, sitting, waiting for an enemy to come to kill them. Sitting isn't that hard to kill, you just have to lure and shit. |
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| Princess | Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:47 pm Post #8 |
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Banned
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Well, you're the one opening it up for argument again. I think the only reason people think it's an idea not even worth trying out is because FaZ- has used every topic possible for a platform to shove it down people's throats, even if he isn't trying to. Yeah, I may be in the minority with this, but I have yet to hear anyone give me an idea as to why we shouldn't try this that cannot be countered, opposed as to why we should at least make a trial map. I'll try to list the pros and cons: Cons: -quick blinding will become pretty much nonexistant, which I'll admit, is a huge part of the game. -people who have honed their ql to be among the best will no longer be distinguished for that fact. -It'll probably be harder to catch LH since qling will be distorted. Pros: -Although LH will be harder to catch, the effectiveness of SA/AutoIt, and RTOH will be lowered to a level of being almost useless. -Thanks to the extra vision, not only will the auto-locking progs be dampened, but Locater, MMH, and even MH won't be quite as effective. I honetly believe Oc Implants will cut losses due to hackers, and maybe even discourage some from hacking altogether. -If you think about it, even sitting would probably be less effective. If anyone would bother to look at FaZ-'s track record, they'll see that he's pioneered many of today's norms and created fun games that lots of people here play. He co-created the anti MMH, is responsible for Locks, created Speed Duels, and created Speedball, which both led to the creations of Hide n Snipe as well as that horizontal map where neither team can cross the middle line. Bottom line: People will have to change the way they play. Yes, I sort of agree it's bullshit to have to do so, but the game is getting so boring. We've been playing the same map since v310, we need SOMETHING to spice it up. And if everyone was so willing to make the transition from Walks to Locks, then I don't understand why they won't at least give this a try. If they're willing to just lure more and use more teamwork instead of qling and blinding (this is coming from a HUGE fan of glitching), then maybe they'd see it could be just what we needed. But I'm done pleading my case for it, and everyone is getting sick of hearing it. So I'll either wait for a map to be created and see if people agree with me, or just continue as we are. |
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| DeMaGoG | Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:40 pm Post #9 |
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Level 23
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RedStealth... couldn't you just DL a map unprotector and unprotect the newest map, add ocimplants and then test it out with a few trusted people? I use to have a map unprotector but that was on my old comp. I entirely agree with you/faz though, and you make an extremely strong case, which I feel warrants at least a testing of ocimplants. |
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| ][-][uRRiCaNe | Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:42 pm Post #10 |
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Owns Hackers
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Takes 2 seconds to add in Oc Implants. If you and others really want to try it, I can add it to a trail version. |
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| DeMaGoG | Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:47 pm Post #11 |
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Level 23
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It would be nice... just make sure you test it out with people that won't "accidently" release it if it does turn out to be a bad idea... I'm optimistic though. |
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| Princess | Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:56 pm Post #12 |
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Banned
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I know jack shit about map making, I barely even know how to change the stats on people. Pretty much the only thing I'm good for is laying terrain, and even then it's nothing special. But if KLiT wanted to, sure, I'm up for it. Or even better, FaZ- could do it. I don't know what's stopped him from at least trying this whole time, maybe he just wanted consensus. |
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| LaZ | Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:26 pm Post #13 |
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My name is Gokhan.
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FaZ made a map recently with ocular implants...look at the Map Making section. Sniper Paintball ++ Locks. |
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| Princess | Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:20 am Post #14 |
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Banned
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Well he hasn't done a very good job of circulating it, then. |
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| Druzil | Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:41 am Post #15 |
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Level 7
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People are stupid. What's the biggest problem in snipers (and a huge reason why it's dying)? Hackers. Ocular implants rectifies that to a degree. Try it. K GOOD. DO IT. |
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| FaZ- | Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:20 am Post #16 |
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Level 39
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I have it on a map, but I was trying to add my own way of doing the side switching and got frustrated when it wouldn't work and I couldn't find the bug. I usually mapmake in sprees, and stop when something like that happens. People see a new map that they DL and go "OMG WHAT IS THIS SHIT DOES IT HAVE TREES GTFO NEWB." Especially if it says "Paintball." So I gave up on trying to circulate it myself. Klit, if you could do that I'd appreciate it, something like your map is what I've been striving for for a while, it has essentially every change I wanted in a League-Quality map. I've always told people to just give it a try, and a good number of people that have done so don't even notice a significant change, or like the change. I stopped telling people, and it actually created some funny comments from good snipers: Cribz: is this map bigger? Ash: am i moving slower? DC: is base vision bigger? |
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| skiD | Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:51 am Post #17 |
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Level 9
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lol i liked faz' map. it showed me where my rs would be : )
^_^ occular implants and spamlock ftw. LONG LIVE QL |
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| Princess | Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:46 am Post #18 |
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Banned
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Well, I really do feel sorry for the people who've got an excellent LEGIT ql. Oc Implants would make them have to do something else. But when I really think about it, there are like… maybe five snipers who's qls are legendary. So I think the average sniper wouldn't mind. |
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| Hanabito | Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:15 pm Post #19 |
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Level 26
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oc implants makes bv useless lol |
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| skiD | Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:34 pm Post #20 |
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Level 9
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I HOPE YOU COUNTIN ME JAMES BEFOR EI QL YEH ASS OFFFZZZZ |
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