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FalseLights; żNational security?
Topic Started: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:14 am (124 Views)
FalseLights
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got bored... so i jot down my thoughts.

I love how everyone blames Bush for every thing... just like the natural occurrence of Katrina, where warnings were everywhere yet people ignored the signs. 49% of New Orleans was below sea level, it was basically a huge fish bowl. Yet many blamed Bush for… for what? Not reacting fast enough? In our country, state and local governments have primary responsibility in dealing with local disasters. It was the Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local officials that should be blamed. You can’t blame Bush entirely for the price rise in oil either. He was advised to do so. It has to do with the secret National Energy Policy advisory group headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney has refused to give out the names of the people who advised the administration on energy matters. But of course if you blame Bush for the rise of oil, you have to blame Clinton also. Bill Clinton reduced the size of the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserves) when oil was needed the most. Anyhow, you can read the document here.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Energy/How%20D...20so%20High.htm
Bush can’t be blamed directly because of 9/11 nor the declaration of war because as we all know, the President cannot engage in war without an act of Congress. Many of you who have watched the documentary Loose Change or other documentaries concerning 9/11 conspiracies may come to the bias conclusion that it was our own government to blame. Honestly I’m not sure what to think… I was confused as to why Bush kept on hearing the kids read when he found out that a plain hit the World Trade Center. I was confused as to why only one side of the pentagon building, the side that the “plane” hit was reinforced. And if it was some kind of conspiracy… why have something damage the Pentagon in the first place, to cover up something entirely different?
Whether it was a standalone group like Al-QaidaI or several corrupted politicians who networked their way for this to happen, I’ll let you decide.
I find it amusing that Bush may go down as the worst president in history… because of these events.

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FalseLights
Oct 22 2008, 04:14 AM
I love how everyone blames Bush for every thing... just like the natural occurrence of Katrina, where warnings were everywhere yet people ignored the signs.  49% of New Orleans was below sea level, it was basically a huge fish bowl. Yet many blamed Bush for… for what? Not reacting fast enough? In our country, state and local governments have primary responsibility in dealing with local disasters. It was the Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local officials that should be blamed. You can’t blame Bush entirely for the price rise in oil either. He was advised to do so. It has to do with the secret National Energy Policy advisory group headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney has refused to give out the names of the people who advised the administration on energy matters. But of course if you blame Bush for the rise of oil, you have to blame Clinton also. Bill Clinton reduced the size of the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserves) when oil was needed the most.  Anyhow, you can read the document here.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Energy/How%20D...20so%20High.htm
Bush can’t be blamed directly because of 9/11 nor the declaration of war because as we all know, the President cannot engage in war without an act of Congress. Many of you who have watched the documentary Loose Change or other documentaries concerning 9/11 conspiracies may come to the bias conclusion that it was our own government to blame. Honestly I’m not sure what to think… I was confused as to why Bush kept on hearing the kids read when he found out that a plain hit the World Trade Center. I was confused as to why only one side of the pentagon building, the side that the “plane” hit was reinforced. And if it was some kind of conspiracy… why have something damage the Pentagon in the first place, to cover up something entirely different?
Whether it was a standalone group like Al-QaidaI or several corrupted politicians who networked their way for this to happen, I’ll let you decide.
I find it amusing that Bush may go down as the worst president in history… because of these events.

Hm, good to see you wrote something like this... Lol, I agree with the blaming Bush thing, I joke around with my friends about that a lot. Whenever something bad happens, I curse Bush... because everyone else seems to do it and I follow regular people like a zombie... yay... I agree with most of what you said... and I don't find it too amusing, mostly just plain sad. :(
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I've had this conversation with my assistant manager at Lids a lot lately, along with a few other things, and we've both more or less come to the same conclusion; the world is becoming lazy from the advancement in technology. This lethargy is leading people into a safety net of laziness that is allowing governments to practically take full control of their own thoughts - it's sad when I hear people in a debate about anything these days is the exact same thing that CNN or Fox News spews 24/7. They take what the news stations state as fact without even beginning to look at what is really going on and cross-referencing it to find out if it's true or not. The fact of the matter is people have become stupid due to laziness and the easiest thing for them is to blame someone else for the problem rather than accept that it was the officials that they elected into office who started the war and has caused all of these problems.

I agree with most of what you said, none of this is fully Bush's fault. Yes, some of it fell to his shoulders, he did use a terror scheme to get Congress - and the public at large - to believe him and start the war as well as support it. But it still stands; Bush did not start the war himself, both the House of Representatives and the Senate voted upon it and THEY are the people who actually started this war. Further more the only thing Bush has linked with the prices of gas is that he's making a profit off of it, he has no control or handle over the actual pricing of thing, analyst who watch the influx and decline is fuel sources set the bar for things like this.

Meh... I could go on for hours but I don't really have the patience or the attention span to rant right now. xD
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Nov 2 2008, 09:59 PM
I've had this conversation with my assistant manager at Lids a lot lately, along with a few other things, and we've both more or less come to the same conclusion; the world is becoming lazy from the advancement in technology. This lethargy is leading people into a safety net of laziness that is allowing governments to practically take full control of their own thoughts - it's sad when I hear people in a debate about anything these days is the exact same thing that CNN or Fox News spews 24/7. They take what the news stations state as fact without even beginning to look at what is really going on and cross-referencing it to find out if it's true or not. The fact of the matter is people have become stupid due to laziness and the easiest thing for them is to blame someone else for the problem rather than accept that it was the officials that they elected into office who started the war and has caused all of these problems.

I agree with most of what you said, none of this is fully Bush's fault. Yes, some of it fell to his shoulders, he did use a terror scheme to get Congress - and the public at large - to believe him and start the war as well as support it. But it still stands; Bush did not start the war himself, both the House of Representatives and the Senate voted upon it and THEY are the people who actually started this war. Further more the only thing Bush has linked with the prices of gas is that he's making a profit off of it, he has no control or handle over the actual pricing of thing, analyst who watch the influx and decline is fuel sources set the bar for things like this.

Meh... I could go on for hours but I don't really have the patience or the attention span to rant right now. xD

Congress never declared war, they haven't done so since WW2. They only voted to fund the troops after bush sent them in. That is the vote that people in the 24/7 news media always look back on as saying "were you for or against the war" and that's the vote Obama voted no, Hillary yes, McCain yes.

The war (in Iraq, not afghanistan) was in fact started solely because of the Administrations mongering for it. We turned our back to the insitution we created and have much control over (The UN) who deemed the situation not worth the cost of war. We went in with a flimsy "Coalition of the Yes-men" because there simply wasn't grounds for it in the first place, and an openminded administration would've seen that. Looking back it seems easy to say so because no WMD's were found, but regardless we (as a nation) were incredibly ignorant to think our intelligence was so much greater than that of nearly every other major nation in the world.

As far as Katrina goes, people don't blame him for the hurricane, they blame him for appointing a bafoon who doesn't know what he's doing to the head of FEMA because they were political friends. This patronage employee then fumbles when Katrina happened, knowing full well the warnings of severity and conducted the most shameful and slowest response to a disaster in a first-world nation in moderntimes.


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It was the Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local officials that should be blamed.


Being that this is a federalist government, and the severity of a category fucknig five hurricane, you can't expect city or even most state governments to be able to handle everything. Also, if you care to look it up, they made attempts to ask for more federal aid in the preparation for the storm, however they were uncesseful in recieving anywhere close to enough until after the storm hit.

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I find it amusing that Bush may go down as the worst president in history… because of these events.


there have been many presidents in the past who werent ready for the callenges taht arose during their office. Just because the overall public opinion is that he was awful doesn't mean it will stay that way in the eyes of history. I mean, Lincoln only won his re-election by the hair on his chinny chin chin. U.S. Grant made far more mistakes and led one of the most corrupted administrations ever to hold office, although he has been seen in history as a hands-off president and probably knew little of it as he trusted his advisors.
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Couldn't edit; but one more thing:
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You can’t blame Bush entirely for the price rise in oil either. He was advised to do so


That is stupid.
1. He appoints his advisors
2. You elect a president to make the right decisions, advisors give him opinions and information on the subject. It's his own fault if he surrounds himself with all like-minded individuals who give him the same biased information. Lincoln surrounded himself with people he couldn't even stand sometimes for exactly this reason. As a president you need opposing viewpoints and a world class temperament.
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