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002: Marijuana
Topic Started: Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:32 am (732 Views)
Etra
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The previous winner was Tonic. The DA for this topic is Xtreme and/or Dope. I have not gotten confirmation from either one about being the DA.
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NighT
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Marijuana cures cancer. NUFF said. Marijuana also prevents strokes and heart attacks. If you smoke weed you usually get better at what it is you are doing while baked. smoking weed is not like taking drugs its a legit way to stay healthy fit and energized i highly suggest it.



WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET A BONG.
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Tonic
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In my opinion, the reason Marijuana hasn't been made legal as of yet is simply because of the competition that it would provide to the tobacco industry. I haven't researched this yet, but I can bet that the cigarette lobbyists in Wahington have something to do with the laws in place today. I know many people that smoke weed who used to smoke cigarettes, and it's apparent that the legalization of weed would make weed a direct competitor of cigarettes. As the tobacco industry is a multi billion dollar industry, I don't think they will do all in their power to prevent this from happening.

As I've said before, there are many substances which are legal and are as or more harmful to our health than marijuana, noticably alcohol and cigarettes. But while cigarettes doesn't affect your state of mind, alcohol does, and probably more drastically than marijuana.

I don't understand why we cannot legalize marijuana and impose restrictions on it ala alcohol. You cannot smoke under a certain age. You cannot be high while you drive. You cannot be publicly high or disorderly while being so(is this ever a problem with high people?). I've yet to hear a good counter argument to that suggestion. Countries such as Holland have legalized Marijuana, and that place hasn't morphed into a miserable lair of burnt out losers. In fact, it's quite common to see some very successful people stop in a bar and smoke themselves a little weed. Doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and many other professions don't see weed as a bane of hu7manity. It's a socially acceptable form of recreation similiar to alcohol, and they are no worse off for it.
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DeMaGoG
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I'm gonna sit outa this topic guys, as I really don't care :D
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Druzil
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Well, this subject for me is a bit different than most of you, since I live in British Columbia, the impact of legalizing marijuana would be much different here than in the States, but I'll discuss it anyhow.


I'm not sure if this is a well known fact for most of you, but the "underground" marijuana industry in my province is estimated to be worth nearly twice as much as the forestry industry, which is the main source of income for the province and one of the highest for the country.

Now with that in perspective, think of what could happen to the dealers/growers/pushers of marijuana when the drug becomes legalized and trafficked by the government, a large company, or whatever it may be. It's very probable that a large number of these people would become involved in other drug operations, which could lead to a sky-rocket in the production of crystal meth, cocaine, crack, heroine etc.

I also believe that part of the allure to marijuana for teenagers and young adults is the fact that it is illegal, but generally not very harmful, whereas other extreme drugs can have detrimental effects on your body and mind and even kill you after one use.

One thing that I find to be a very good reason to legalize it is the fact that marijuana is considered a "gateway drug". I'm sure you think that statement is retarded, but quite often people will lace marijuana with cocaine and other drugs to attempt to get the user addicted to the drug through marijuana, if marijuana is legalized and controlled, there will be less and less of this going around. Not to mention the government could invest more money into finding coke labs and what not rather than busting grow operations of marijuana -- This may happen much more in Canada than the US, that statement is biased towards where I live I suppose.
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Druzil
Dec 2 2008, 11:57 AM
Well, this subject for me is a bit different than most of you, since I live in British Columbia, the impact of legalizing marijuana would be much different here than in the States, but I'll discuss it anyhow.


I'm not sure if this is a well known fact for most of you, but the "underground" marijuana industry in my province is estimated to be worth nearly twice as much as the forestry industry, which is the main source of income for the province and one of the highest for the country.

Now with that in perspective, think of what could happen to the dealers/growers/pushers of marijuana when the drug becomes legalized and trafficked by the government, a large company, or whatever it may be. It's very probable that a large number of these people would become involved in other drug operations, which could lead to a sky-rocket in the production of crystal meth, cocaine, crack, heroine etc.

I also believe that part of the allure to marijuana for teenagers and young adults is the fact that it is illegal, but generally not very harmful, whereas other extreme drugs can have detrimental effects on your body and mind and even kill you after one use.

One thing that I find to be a very good reason to legalize it is the fact that marijuana is considered a "gateway drug". I'm sure you think that statement is retarded, but quite often people will lace marijuana with cocaine and other drugs to attempt to get the user addicted to the drug through marijuana, if marijuana is legalized and controlled, there will be less and less of this going around. Not to mention the government could invest more money into finding coke labs and what not rather than busting grow operations of marijuana -- This may happen much more in Canada than the US, that statement is biased towards where I live I suppose.

Sorry Druzil but, you obviously never blown cocaine because a true cocaine user won't dare waste any on some kid trying to buy weed off of him. Cocaine is too expensive to waste on anybody else but yourself. Most people around where I live lace weed with either raid( Bug killer), or pcp(wet). But yeah I do understand what you were saying but people won't turbo(add cocaine) to the weed and sell it unless they are retarded because they will lose more money than they are gaining.
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B
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In reply to tonic, about the laws first passed to make marijuana illegal.

I was made illegal in the late 60's early 70's, in an attempt to put down the anti-war movement. The logic being hippies smoked weed, hippies didn't like the war, make one illegal, put them in jail and you have less protesters.

I don't know if that's the only reason, but it was part of the ideal leading into making it illegal.

I do know they begin by issuing certification to people who grew marijuana, but to get this certification, you had to already have a farm, and if you already had a farm, you were breaking the law because you didn't yet have your certification.
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Druzil
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You're right, I've never done coke, but I understand how business works, and I've known people who have done it. They wouldn't lose more money than they gain, it's called an investment, one thing that's quite common amongst people who smoke weed is that they don't do it alone. Lace it with pot, sell it to X amount of kids, they become addicted, that = huge profit.
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Druzil
Dec 2 2008, 01:26 PM
You're right, I've never done coke, but I understand how business works, and I've known people who have done it. They wouldn't lose more money than they gain, it's called an investment, one thing that's quite common amongst people who smoke weed is that they don't do it alone. Lace it with pot, sell it to X amount of kids, they become addicted, that = huge profit.

You dont get addicted to turbo...You get addicted to blowing cocaine..if you havent done it dont argue with a person who has
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FaZ-
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My state (Massachusetts) just passed a decriminalization bill that will take effect in a bit under a month. Being caught with less than an ounce is simply a $100 fine. I personally have nothing against marijuana, I don't feel it's any worse than cigarettes or alcohol. However, I also believe that the policies on alcohol and tobacco are foolish.

I'd like to see the drinking age lowered, but of equal importance I'd very much like to see the penalties for driving drunk and public intoxication steepened, and heavily. Someone caught drunk driving should have their license revoked immediately for at least a year. Upon a second offense, permanently. The same should be true for marijuana, if legalized.

Smoking in my mind should be limited to private areas, I don't want to smell your shit when I have to walk to class, if you want to suck on toxins, be my guest, but don't subject me to it. I believe this has happened in some countries, I don't recall which off my head. Marijuana if legalized should be much the same.

Frankly, I've yet to see a solid argument against why marijuana should not be legalized. People claim that it's a gateway drug; shouldn't this be HELPED by its legalization? If you can go to the store and buy weed, why would you go to a drug dealer? From what I've heard, Marlboro already owns some sort of preemptive rights for if/when marijuana is legalized.


I've always held a rather snobbish view of cigarettes, but I stand by it: Cigarettes: Natural Selection at Work. I've never smoked either tobacco or marijuana, nor do I plan to.
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Tonic
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Druzil
Dec 2 2008, 04:57 PM
I'm not sure if this is a well known fact for most of you, but the "underground" marijuana industry in my province is estimated to be worth nearly twice as much as the forestry industry, which is the main source of income for the province and one of the highest for the country.

Now with that in perspective, think of what could happen to the dealers/growers/pushers of marijuana when the drug becomes legalized and trafficked by the government, a large company, or whatever it may be. It's very probable that a large number of these people would become involved in other drug operations, which could lead to a sky-rocket in the production of crystal meth, cocaine, crack, heroine etc.

The producers of marijuana depend on the illegality of the drug to make their profit. This is true. If marijuana were to become legalized, much of this sector would probably be forced to pursue other areas of illegal activity, much like the bootleggers during the Prohibition era.

However, I don't think that this will have any effect on the consumption of other illegal drugs. At the moment, the supply is already meeting demand in regards to other illegal substances. If someone needs a fix of heroine or a blow of cocaine, then it will be readily available if they know the right people. In short, people who want to smoke, smoke. Producing more heroine or meth or cocaine or crack doesn't mean more people are going to use those drugs.

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Sorry Druzil but, you obviously never blown cocaine because a true cocaine user won't dare waste any on some kid trying to buy weed off of him. Cocaine is too expensive to waste on anybody else but yourself. Most people around where I live lace weed with either raid( Bug killer), or pcp(wet). But yeah I do understand what you were saying but people won't turbo(add cocaine) to the weed and sell it unless they are retarded because they will lose more money than they are gaining.


Thanks for the insight, coke fiend. :unsure:

'B'
 
I was made illegal in the late 60's early 70's, in an attempt to put down the anti-war movement. The logic being hippies smoked weed, hippies didn't like the war, make one illegal, put them in jail and you have less protesters.


I didn't actually know that, but if that's the reason it's illegal today, it seems a bit archaic.

I'm not entirely sure, but I read a while back that the funding for the anti-marijuana commercials you see on T.V. actually comes from the cigarette companies themselves. It's funny how there are more anti-marijuana ads then anti-drinking ads these days, when it's obvious which of the two is riskier.

Having said that, has anyone seen the commercial where the little kid drowns in the pool because her brother was smoking weed? How fucking stupid is that commercial? "You weren't paying attention because you were getting high." That asshole could have been doing damn near anything else and she would have died all the same. Chances are he was jerking off. Why don't they start running ads against masturbation? Video games? T.V.? If they are trying to correlate the deaths of babies in swimming pools with the usage of weed by lazy teenagers, thenthey are failing miserably.

'FaZ'
 
I'd like to see the drinking age lowered, but of equal importance I'd very much like to see the penalties for driving drunk and public intoxication steepened, and heavily. Someone caught drunk driving should have their license revoked immediately for at least a year. Upon a second offense, permanently. The same should be true for marijuana, if legalized.


I can't say I agree with you on that first bit. You state you want the drinking age to be lowered, yet on the other hand you want the penalties steepened. If the drinking age is lowered, then you're going to see a lot more incidents of drunk driving and public intoxication. While your two ideas don't neccesarily contradict, but it's hard not to see how one of your ideas would directly affect the other, and negatively. I don't want to turn this into a discussion on the drinking age, but in my personal opinion the drinking age is justifiable.
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The MAIN reason weed is illegal is very simple, druzil kind of touched on it. Weed is usually the drug most people try first, they enjoy it have a good time with it for a while then start getting kind of bored of it and want something that will make them more high.

They then call john doe and want something more powerful. The buyer tho is still somewhat nervous of going into something alot harder so he will ask for it to keep natural. The dealer will give them shrooms probably and the buyer will love this drug.

The next month or so he will see some people at a party snorting coke, doing e or something. They will pressure him a bit then he will eventually say yes. He will enjoy this alot too.

The next month or so someone will offer him some acid, heroin, or meth. If its the right person and has no self-control he will lose his life and become an addict.

So what im trying to say is WEED is the Starting Drug.


With that all said, I enjoy weed and love smoking it. I have also done coke, ecstasy, shrooms and have quit them all because i have self control. I myself would be happy that weed became legal but others(without any self-control) will lose a lot of money, friends, job, family at 1st...then eventually there life.

This is why I think weed will never be legal.
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Stun
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Dec 2 2008, 05:35 PM
The MAIN reason weed is illegal is very simple, druzil kind of touched on it. Weed is usually the drug most people try first, they enjoy it have a good time with it for a while then start getting kind of bored of it and want something that will make them more high.

They then call john doe and want something more powerful. The buyer tho is still somewhat nervous of going into something alot harder so he will ask for it to keep natural. The dealer will give them shrooms probably and the buyer will love this drug.

The next month or so he will see some people at a party snorting coke, doing e or something. They will pressure him a bit then he will eventually say yes. He will enjoy this alot too.

The next month or so someone will offer him some acid, heroin, or meth. If its the right person and has no self-control he will lose his life and become an addict.

So what im trying to say is WEED is the Starting Drug.


With that all said, I enjoy weed and love smoking it. I have also done coke, ecstasy, shrooms and have quit them all because i have self control. I myself would be happy that weed became legal but others(without any self-control) will lose a lot of money, friends, job, family at 1st...then eventually there life.

This is why I think weed will never be legal.

Weed is considered a gateway drug, but if it is made legal, won't it not be a gateway drug? Otherwise you are saying that people that drink alcohol are going to get into the hardcore drugs as well, which if that was the case alcohol would be illegal.

Personally, I think alcohol is WAY more dangerous than weed. If people get too drunk, they start thinking crazy and then go out and do crazy shit (drive, beat their wives, etc..). However if you get too high, you just get lazy and sit on the couch, you don't wanna do shit.

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Reveal
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IMO, weed is NOT a gateway drug. People who sell weed also usually have contacts with other people who sell/use more hardcore drugs because it is illegal, which is how other people get interested in other drugs and start experimenting. If weed was legal, people would probably view weed as alcohol is viewed by society today.

Smoking weed through a vaporizor is not harmful to the human body because of the way the vap heats up the weed. Smoking weed through a blunt is harmful due to the fact you are also smoking paper and the gun powder companies put on the papers to keep the papers lit and slow burning. So yeah, depends on the way you smoke the weed but weed itself is not harmful. Yeah, it alters your mind but so does alcohol which is the most abused drug PERIOD.

@Tonic: I admit I like to use cocaine once in a blue moon. But I'm a college student which means I'm broke. So, I don't use it as much as you probably think.
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Stun
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If weed was legal, you would no longer have to go to a dealer for it. You could just stop into a gas station and pick up a sack just as you would a pack of cigarettes. Therefore eliminating the problem of the hardcore drugs that the dealers sell or shit they lace with the weed you buy from them. Not to mention the weed would be about a million times better and a lot cheaper because there would be a market for weed. Idk about you guys but that sounds great to me.
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Druzil
Dec 2 2008, 01:26 PM
You're right, I've never done coke, but I understand how business works, and I've known people who have done it. They wouldn't lose more money than they gain, it's called an investment, one thing that's quite common amongst people who smoke weed is that they don't do it alone. Lace it with pot, sell it to X amount of kids, they become addicted, that = huge profit.

I don't think you understand the cocaine market my friend. If you have cocaine you sell cocaine as is because you can cut it with many different things. Cocaine sells for 60 to 100 a gram. Weed is 10-25 a gram. Those numbers vary depending on how good the pureness/bud is. It's not an investment, it's a stupid fucking move. Anybody who fucks with yak sticks to yak because cocaine= Big mother fucking money. Weed is pocket change. And if one uses their coke to lace another person's weed in hopes they will get more addicted than selling yak by itself it ignorant to the extreme. Snorting cocaine is much more addictive than smoking a turbo. I'm sorry but you have no idea how drug dealers work
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Stun
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100$ a gram is pretty insane... I can get an 8ball for 150$ lol. Where the hell do you live?
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Etra
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http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007...t-of-marijuana/

Tonic
Dec 2 2008, 11:25 AM
In my opinion, the reason Marijuana hasn't been made legal as of yet is simply because of the competition that it would provide to the tobacco industry. I haven't researched this yet, but I can bet that the cigarette lobbyists in Wahington have something to do with the laws in place today. I know many people that smoke weed who used to smoke cigarettes, and it's apparent that the legalization of weed would make weed a direct competitor of cigarettes. As the tobacco industry is a multi billion dollar industry, I don't think they will do all in their power to prevent this from happening.

Maybe I'm missing something but why would the cigarette companies be threatened by the legalization of marijuana? Tobacco can grow in the same climate as marijuana and since cigarette companies own their own tobacco farms, they can allocate land to grow marijuana too. And by doing so, cigarette companies would be able to sell marijuana in the form of joints and blunts or sell a mixture of tobacco and marijuana together in a cigarette. I think that would help cigarette companies' sales, not hurt them.

It seems like nearly everyone agrees that marijuana should be legalized. I think the real problem with legalizing marijuana is what regulations would have to be imposed to control it.

First, I think marijuana should be taxed. I'd say 10% of the product price is sufficient. Marijuana isn't a necessity, it's a luxury good. As such, if you want it, then you should be willing to pay for it. But maybe not. By having a high tax, it would theoretically limit who is willing to buy it and also provide additional funds to the government, which it seems to really need nowadays.

Second, I think the legal age for smoking marijuana should be at least 21. I think it's pretty stupid to alter your body's chemistry with the addition of THC, and whatever else is in marijuana, during the years your body is still developing. And your body doesn't stop developing until you reach the age of 20 or so, hence 21.

Third, I think people should not be allowed to grow their own marijuana. Unless people are somehow taxed based on how much they personally grow, being able to grow it yourself would defeat the purpose of a sales tax.

Fourth, I think approval from the federal government should be mandatory for a company to grow and/or sell marijuana. And with the approval, there should be a minimum quality of the marijuana sold.

And that's all I can think of at the moment.
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Druzil
Dec 2 2008, 01:26 PM
You're right, I've never done coke, but I understand how business works, and I've known people who have done it. They wouldn't lose more money than they gain, it's called an investment, one thing that's quite common amongst people who smoke weed is that they don't do it alone. Lace it with pot, sell it to X amount of kids, they become addicted, that = huge profit.

I don't think you understand the cocaine market my friend. If you have cocaine you sell cocaine as is because you can cut it with many different things. Cocaine sells for 60 to 100 a gram. Weed is 10-25 a gram. Those numbers vary depending on how good the pureness/bud is. It's not an investment, it's a stupid fucking move. Anybody who fucks with yak sticks to yak because cocaine= Big mother fucking money. Weed is pocket change. And if one uses their coke to lace another person's weed in hopes they will get more addicted than selling yak by itself it ignorant to the extreme. Snorting cocaine is much more addictive than smoking a turbo. I'm sorry but you have no idea how drug dealers work

You just contradicted yourself as well as proved my point. If you get a casual weed smoker addicted to cocaine that is more money in the dealers pocket, since you so eloquently put that cocaine is worth much more than weed. I NEVER said anything about snorting or smoking being more addicting, the fact of the matter is, if the person gets high from the cocaine laced in the pot and enjoy it, they're going to want to try it again, that's the main danger of marijuana, and if you don't think that's how a lot of people get addicted to other drugs you're naive. And I never said they only lace it with coke, they lace meth, crack, everything. Because the drug lords don't give a shit about anything but cutting a profit.


@Etra - I think his point is that marijuana would be a large competitor for the tobacco industry, which could be very true depending on who controls the drug. If pot was sold publicly I wouldn't doubt it if the large tobacco companies would buy out the industry and control it themselves, but what if the government decided to hold control over it? It could kill the tobacco industry. Weed is less dangerous than cigarettes and some could argue that being high is better than a nicotine rush.
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Dec 2 2008, 11:06 PM
@Etra - I think his point is that marijuana would be a large competitor for the tobacco industry, which could be very true depending on who controls the drug. If pot was sold publicly I wouldn't doubt it if the large tobacco companies would buy out the industry and control it themselves, but what if the government decided to hold control over it? It could kill the tobacco industry. Weed is less dangerous than cigarettes and some could argue that being high is better than a nicotine rush.

With research of marijuana as inconclusive as it is, I kind of doubt that government would be willing to control the marijuana industry and take responsibility for any possible but currently unknown side effects.
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