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003: Mandatory military service
Topic Started: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:04 pm (472 Views)
Etra
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In his place I nominate the topic of mandatory military service. For instance, the draft in the US and the required 2 years of service by males in South Korea.
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Tonic
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We should narrow the topic down a bit. The circumstances requiring obligatory service in the military are generally different depending on which area of the world you're talking about.

The draft in the United States is probably a more relevant issue. I don't feel the draft should be instated except in the most extreme circumstances. I personally would never fight in such a needless and barbaric war which only benefits a few people and opprresses millions. The only way I could ever see myself voluntarily enlisting in the armed forces would be if there was a direct threat (see: American Revolution, War of 1812) to our country, or if our homeland was attacked. The wars in the last half century haven't benefited anyone but the elite in this country.
Edited by Tonic, Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:16 pm.
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Loki
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I do want the draft instated for a simple reason : I don't want anyone fighting alongside me that is pissed off at the government for being voluntold to join the military and does not want to be there. Can't trust someone like that. Too many problems could come with a draft. Mutiny and shit. Especially now days, people are way too unstable after Vietnam. Shit Would be nuts. So, no, please no draft. :)
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FaZ-
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I personally think that mandatory military training would help Americans with discipline and knowledge of international affairs, which are both lacking across the country. The draft is a different story, though; I personally don't think that the draft will ever have to be instituted again. Wars nowadays are being fought with increasingly sophisticated technology, which in many cases substitutes for raw manpower. With the increasing power of non-nuclear weapons, I doubt there will ever be a full-scale invasion type war again with a true resistance, rather than insurgencies.
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Tonic
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Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:54 pm
I do want the draft instated for a simple reason : I don't want anyone fighting alongside me that is pissed off at the government for being voluntold to join the military and does not want to be there. Can't trust someone like that. Too many problems could come with a draft. Mutiny and shit. Especially now days, people are way too unstable after Vietnam. Shit Would be nuts. So, no, please no draft. :)
You mean you don't want a draft instated, right?
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Loki
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yeah, forgot the N'T on the don't...lol. Thanks. The desert is frying my damn brain brother.
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Arbiter
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lol, oh it's just a little tiny typo.. nothing huge, it only changes the entire meaning : ) no problem, lol. Ya, honestly though if there was ever another fullscale war, I think it's quite possible the world would end, or it would be like the Cold War, just smaller battles, with the constant fear of the world ending. But those years of fear are fairly good ideas about what another war between world powers could end up. I think it's far more likely that wars like that in Israel, and Iraq will be far more common... and at the idea of a draft, I don't think it would be reasonable considering that it's highly unlikely another world war will erupt in which it would be necessary. It would raise many political uprisings too.
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Loki
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I agree with you Arbiter. I think America has enough problems on it's own soil. I don't understand why we are so worried about other countries. Especially when these other countries are ingrateful and don't give a fuck about us.
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the old concept of isolationism... that America so greedily and hastily abandoned around WW2 would be a nice concept to adapt again.... though it's impossible for them to ignore the happenings in the world. They're too involved. Can't really back out now.. or you'd risk losing your "identity" and your honour, lol. I suppose it's too bad. How different would the world be today if America wasn't involved in world affairs..
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Loki
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Agreed. We are too blinded by our own pride to see the things that are happening on our own soil.
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aren't all countries though...
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Loki
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True.
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In all truth though... I really don't think it would ever be possible for countries to ever get away from pride... they need to be humbled by something... like a massive disaster or poverty.. i dunno, something. I think Katrina was a slight taste at the problems with pride... especially like Bush... I mean the slowness of the fucking reaction, the realization of problems in American soil. Why would there ever be a thought of getting military assistance with foreign relations when there's such problems at home.... psst loki, go on sc
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Loki
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Yeah, I have some family from the greater New Orleans area. Those levys were shitty from the get go, it was known too. Something probably could of been done.
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Ya, I completely forgot about that, yet again American "pride" that they just figured... oh nothing bad'll happen. And I apologize if I'm shutting just American's down... Canada is just as prideful.
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Aztec
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I believe the draft is only an act of desperation. I am pretty sure our country would never used it unless we were in dire need. So, I'm not against the draft, but I am against it being instituted when it's not needed. Living in San Diego with all of it's military bases, it's easy to see why we don't need the draft. We have enough people enlisting. And I congratulate the government on convincing people to enlist. Service men and women are treated relatively well by the government. So, some people join the military for financial security, especially with the economy the way it is. Other people join because they are true patriots (that's the pride some of you have mentioned). Some people enlist in order to acquire a G.I. Bill. And of course we have all those miscellaneous reasons that people enlist. People use any combination of these reasons (and then some) for enlisting. Basically, as long as the Government gives us sufficient incentive, we won't need a draft. The government realizes this. It also realizes that a drafted soldier would be less motivated than an enlisted one. So naturally, I'm against mandatory service when it is not needed, but I would give my life for this country if it were needed.
Edited by Aztec, Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:43 pm.
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yes, im all for people joining their country when needed, but forcing them, no matter how dire is wrong... people should come to the point of realizing the countries need.. or shame on them.
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Aztec
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Yeah. When it comes down to it, it's up to us, the citizens, to prevent the draft.
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WildChild
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Mandatory? For who? For all you, not me. nT!
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DuBsTeP
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first of alll just want to say sorry i know me typing skills suck...

OK well.... There will never be a drift again period, like FAZ said technolgy is taking over the world...I'd worry bout Nukes going BOOM more than anything hope they land on WildChilds house Jk.

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And I congratulate the government on convincing people to enlist. Service men and women are treated relatively well by the government. So, some people join the military for financial security, especially with the economy the way it is.


Ummm the goverment doesn't do that much bro.My buddy was in the first wave to iraq went on 2 tours, when he came back he had Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), they rated him on a point system of how bad he wanted to kill himself or hurt others ,then they paid you with the same point system LOKI LIL HELP WITH THIS PLZ, my point is that if your more suck than they rate you then your SOL which i was told happens alot.more problems -Returning Vets are homeless, Vets didnt get paid the money they deserved, the equipment soliders use isn't new prob doesn't even work like gas masks and other things.

wat we need to worry bout is CIVIL WAR !!! is gonna come watch

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