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Germany and Nazis
Topic Started: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:21 pm (248 Views)
GhosTy
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This is part of an essay I'm going to write later...

The topic of the essay is "Why did the Germans go along with the Nazi's" or something along those lines in WW2

I'm just curious what you guys think about this topic. I would rather put it in this section than homework since here I have a better chance at

A) Getting replies
B) Getting good replies
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FaZ-
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Just make an analogy with how effective advertising is. It's all propaganda. And definitely quote Hitler:

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

That's really all it was. The Germans populace is just like any other, dumb and sheep. Think of how widespread American hate is for Middle Eastern people right now, and the government barely even tries to make that connection. (Gah fuck you're Canadian... close enough.) That'd be an interesting essay to write, but the teacher is going to get 25 papers that have the exact same content if she gave this prompt to everyone. It's more of a research paper than anything else. The Nuremberg Laws and Crystalnacht are a good place to start.
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TeaLaGe
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I specialize in this so here is my answer:

A. The German people felt that the burden of the war was too much on them. The allied nations blamed them for starting the war when they didn't. They felt that they were used as a scapegoat for what had happened. GUILT

B. The War Reparation Bill (or whatever it was called) was astounding. Germany had no way to pay off for the damages that was caused to the other countries. The Reich mark (German cash) was completely worthless as it could not be used to pay off since it degraded over time. (The money costed more to print then to pay off) Reparation

C. As result of the bill, many people could no longer live as they did before, everyone was poor. There wasn't enough food for the country and there was no money coming in.

D. Hitler came at the right time giving hope to people that Germany will one day restored to it's glory. The Nazi simply convinced the German people that they can come back from what has happened...

E. Using the Jews as a scapegoat for WW1, the German population no longer believe that it was their fault that they lost the war, but the Jews lost it for them.

Well idk, that's what i think of why the Germans supported the Nazis...
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Ya... was gonna say what faz said. The Nuremberg trials raised that question, "why did you go along with it knowing how wrong it was?" and a lot of people just said following orders... or something close to that. So if you could get info from there, a couple quotes you know.. that works. Tealage said some good things... after WWI, Germany got raped with all the reperation they were in charge of completing. Lol, Woodrow Wilson said there should be "Peace without Victory" his support behind that was that if there was a definite winner and loser... the loser would have to pay, which Germany did indeed pay, and then Wilson also believed, or its my understanding that he believed that if there was a "loser" that the consequences they would have to pay would lead to a desire for revenge... leading to another war, which it happened. Again, like Tealage said, Hitler played into that at the perfect time. As much as he was a terrible man.. and what he did can never truly be forgiven, give the man credit he was a damn smart cookie
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Fear was one of the main reason why people didn't wanna go against the Nazi. If you guys watched that movie with Tom Cruise, you would see that if Hitler was killed there, the war would of ended earlier but Hitler never died.

I Enjoy WW2 so much that i read it on wikipedia when I'm not doing anything important. All theater of WW2 are exciting to me. I find that the Eastern front the most interesting because it involved so many people in it and it was more dramatic then the western front except for D-Day.

I have to say that Hitler has left an impression on me, the way he used Germany, as well as the way he was able influence the population and use the resources to conquer lover half a dozen countries. Thinking like him has definitely given me more confidence in myself. (Except the racism stuff)
Edited by TeaLaGe, Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:06 am.
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Nice post TeaLaGe.
Both you and Faz had good points.
Germany was the first country to come out of the depresson, thanks to HItler. Germany was pretty fucked up after WWI, Hitler was a pretty smart man.
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GhosTy
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Thanks guys xD although I don't know what the Nuremberg Laws are or the Crystalnacht w/e o_O
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Nuremberg Laws or the Nuremberg Trials were basically War Crime trials that many high ranking officers, British officials and military personnel were put through, like i said b4, asking why they did it and putting them on trial for the inhumane things they did. Wasn't a very nice time... to say the least, lol.
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Didn't read everything, but don't forget, Hitler was a demagog :-D (or demagouge if you prefer the alternate spelling).

Hitler was also supposed to have been a brilliant tactician, he just made a big mistake when he tried to take Russia.
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Cause I fucked their zombies up in Wolfenstein.
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Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:30 am
Nuremberg Laws or the Nuremberg Trials were basically War Crime trials that many high ranking officers, British officials and military personnel were put through, like i said b4, asking why they did it and putting them on trial for the inhumane things they did. Wasn't a very nice time... to say the least, lol.
Nuremberg Laws are very different from the trials. These were laws created in order to disallow Jews of basic freedoms, like marrying anyone who was considered to have German blood, working for any civil service, etc.
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lol Arbiter, nice try. You need to learn more history.


Here's the excerpt from Wikiiipedism

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(September 15, 1935)
Entirely convinced that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously resolved upon the following law, which is promulgated herewith:

Section 1

1. Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
2. Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.

Section 2

1. Extramarital sexual intercourse between Jews and subjects of the state of Germany or related blood is forbidden.

(Supplementary decrees set Nazi definitions of racial Germans, Jews, and half-breeds or Mischlinge --- see the latter entry for details and citations. Jews could not vote or hold public office.)

Section 3
Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens of German or kindred blood as domestic workers under the age of 45.

Section 4

1. Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colours.
2. On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colours. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.

Section 5

1. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 1 will be punished with hard labour.
2. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 2 will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labour.
3. A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections 3 or 4 will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.

Section 6
The Reich Minister of the Interior in agreement with the Deputy Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice will issue the legal and administrative regulations required for the enforcement and supplementing of this law.

Section 7
The law will become effective on the day after its promulgation; Section 3, however, not until January 1, 1936.



So ya, them bitches nazi kept adding more laws every month, effectively raping the jews.
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TeaLaGe
 
So ya, them bitches nazi kept adding more laws every month, effectively raping the jews.

Lmfao. Wish history professors put it down like you. It would be more interesting.
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Krystallnacht was the night that Hitler secretly ordered the SA or was it the SS to destroy the Jewish buildings across Germany. Known for the amount of glass destroyed during the event...

What ironic was, the Jewish was blamed for destroying their own business and homes... lmfao.. You gotta admit.. Hitler was one crack duck.

Well, i try to make history exciting by adding humor to it, never gotten bored of it because i always laugh when something funny happens like when Hitler 6th army got owned so bad by the Soviets lol, shit was hilarious.
Edited by TeaLaGe, Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:23 pm.
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didnt mean laws there... that was a typo... or rather a misunderstanding :P the nuremberg trials though i had right though.. if im not mistaken.

Edited by Arbiter, Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:55 pm.
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GhosTy
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If you guys really want I could post my half-assed 5AM essay lol
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If you want a good insight on this, you may want to read some Ian Kershaw, hes got some really good books on this. Don't knowif you already written your essay!

And yeah please post it, I studied this last year :)

My input would be firstly, the Great Depression, for the beginning you can say that well the German people went with Hitler and the Nazi party because it seemed like the way out, they promised so much to the German people. Also, the rejection of the Treaty Of Versaille in 1919 (i think, was a while since i talked about this!), people hated the Treaty as it was very harsh towards Germany, the Nazi Party promised to get rid of it as they did (you can see from the way they re-militarised the rhineland in 1936(i think) and the invasion of Czech (1938), or the increase in military size. The Nazi party offered so many jobs, from 1933 when they came into power to around 1939, employment fell from around 6million to around 400,000, thats a reason why some of them were content and beared with the Nazis, especially for the early years.

Now, there are different ways you can look at this: The people were terrorised/indoctrinated into the Nazi party by different methods or they went along with it because they thought it brought them prosperity. The answer (for me anyway) is a synthesis of the two, i mean i could write a whole essay about this but i dont know if i can be bothered...if you want i could probably find one on my computer about this..
Edited by MusT, Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:37 pm.
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GhosTy
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Yeah sure, I'll post it when I get home :p it's on my computer
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i just editted btw lol. oh shit i realised u meant only in WW2! sorry!
Edited by MusT, Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:40 pm.
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Well that's kind of when Hitler was around lol

Alright here it is

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Within weakness lies a door in which anyone can step through. Once inside, one could wreak havoc or choose to restore the subject to its former glory. Following WWI, Germany was left in ruin; itself left with the task of paying for the war, left with the blame, and having its currency almost worthless. During this weakened state, a man named Adolf Hitler lead a political party called the Nazis through this door, wherein Hitler manipulated Germany to his will. Leading up to WWII, the German population decided to go along with the Nazis because of Adolf Hitler; his perfect timing, his promises, and the fear he imposed.

Hitler's timing could not have been better. Germany had been crippled; it was weak, and so it was the perfect time to appear as a leader because at that exact moment, Hitler was superior to the rest of the Germans. Furthermore the Nazis were unified and Germany was not. This brought hope to the people in the sense that they could rebound from all that has happened. Additionally, Hitler was an incredible speaker. If there were not any reasons to unify and rally, Hitler's speech skills would not have been any use. If Hitler attempted to rise to power any other time, the second world war may never have even happened.

That aside, his promises were just what the people wanted to hear. Hitler spoke of recovery. He made the population believe if anyone could restore Germany it was him. The first step was to find a scapegoat. Hitler some how managed to find a way to convince the German people that all of Germany's problems were because of the Jews. As broken as Germany was, they believed him. The second step was defying the Treaty of Versailles; Hitler created an army. This helped the German economy because now they were producing something. The League of Nations decided to allow Hitler to proceed due to the fact they wanted to maintain peace. A foolish mistake it was, as the third step was to put his work into action, utilizing his army and reclaiming lost German lands and further violating the Treaty of Versailles. Clearly recovering was something the Germans yearned for and Hitler was the way to do it.

Above all, the fear that Hitler struck into the hearts of rebels was menacing. As shown in the movie “Swing Kids” by Thomas Carter, the Nazis would abduct anyone speaking against Hitler and break them. Over the course of their disappearance, their very being would be destroyed, and when they returned they would be an empty shell. Also, the cremated remains of husbands would be returned to the widow as to say, “This is what happens when you go against me.” In addition, if one were to oppose Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, he would be a minority. And even in the most basic cases, the minority is bullied by the majority, however when dealing with a very zealous country, the bullying was fatal. In the movie “Swing Kids,” Thomas Berger (Played by Christian Bale) states “Nazis go anywhere they want, do anything they want, everyone gets out of our way.” There was literally no opposition to Hitler's rise.

Adolf Hitler played a prominent role in the cooperation of the German people with the Nazis due to his perfect timing, promises, and fearful effects on others. Hitler was evidently the cornerstone to WWII; the last piece of the puzzle. Without him the world would have stayed its course and WWII would not have happened. The world would be an entirely different place today, millions of lives saved during the 1940's and their offspring alive today. But would this mean that Germany's desire for revenge would have only built up and ultimately cause an even greater war?


I didn't really try too hard on this essay since he said it wasn't to follow proper essay format and such since it wasn't english class.

I got a 5/6 on it because my 2nd paragraph sucked xD
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