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Homos in the Military; WTF Mr. Pres?
Topic Started: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:37 am (549 Views)
Cam
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Loki
Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:42 am
So many good people, good leaders, are going to end up having their hands full of litigation because some fuckin poopy poker didn't want to do what he was told, so he played the gay card. I however, can not stand by and just let that happen.
I pretty much agree with what Tonic said, I just want to add the fact that all of these leaders are many times, themselves, homosexuals. I doubt you can sieze the real number of homosexuals that are among us, among your entourage. Specially in the army.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:39 pm
God given free will man, he coulda been a little more feminine than the other guys, that doesn't mean he had to be a girl. I'll have you know I am not prejudice against gays, I too have two gay friends. They respect me enough to keep the shit away from me, and I respect them enough to keep my mouth shut about them.
Until it is proven that people are born gay, I will believe what I know.
If God wanted us to be born gay, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a sin eh? If someone is born a little more feminine, it's prolly something to do with a chemical imbalance on the brain. He just didn't turn out quite right. Hell, I like the color pink, and I like long walks on the beach no lie, but I am not walking around hitting on other dudes.
The only exception I could see to this rule is a hermaphrodite. Their sex is chosen at birth by their parents. A lot of times they get it wrong and make a girl out of someone who was a guy, or a guy out of someone who was a girl. That is the only legitimate scientific thing even remotely close to this.
Would love to be convinced by some scientific fact :D
I may sound like I'm prejudiced against gay people, but I assure I am not. Yes, I use some pretty harsh words but it's just military talk.
I respect my friends enough to keep that shit down when I am with them. I won't lie, gay people are funny.
But for the sake of a stable military, they should not be able to come out of the closet without a discharge. Once again I can't expect any of you to understand.
Maybe that's my fault for opening this topic. If I have offended someone it wasn't my intent.
sexual attraction isn't something you choose yourself... people don't choose to have foot fetishes, guys don't choose to like guys. did you sit down one day during puberty and say 'ok, i'm going to like girls' and from there on out that's how you felt? you 'respect your friends enough' to keep your mouth shut about them? like you have the right to call them out and discriminate against them for who they are?

what is and isn't a 'sin' is determined by people, god didn't write the bible. the seven deadly sins were created by a person, not anyone or anything else. it's a sin because people saw it as an affront to what they saw as normal, and thought it unnatural. if god didn't want us to be born gay, would anybody in the world be gay? why would sins even exist?
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I read only the first reply to mine, fuck the rest of your bullshit. You are beyond retardation. The fact that you could be so homophobe is such a disappointment, that goes to anybody else for that matter. Talking about "morally wrong". There is nothing wrong about what sexual orientation you choose, especially in a "free country". I rather not write a paragraph like you and tonic choose to do. I bet if it came down to life or death, and the only guy able to help out was one of those "morally wrong, should only be X on Y, homos" is the only person around to save your life, the whole gay factor wouldn't mean shit. As it should be in the first place. Talking about "I wouldn't understand", the difference there is I have no problem with gays in any sort of way, and on top of that I have about 25-30 friends spread out all in different branches of the military, some gay, some bi, some straight, who I've discussed this very topic with.

And on a side note, you said you're in the desert in the Marine's, would it be Palm Springs area? My buddy is stationed out there as well.
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WildChild
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It's called the "New" Operation Human Shield.
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Hanabito
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:58 am
homophobe
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
o.o
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Loki
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Xploited, if you're going to flame, take it to the flame section, but don't expect a response. I'm above that. :D And no, I am not in the states, I'm in Iraq.
It's not homophobe guy, BNT, I can shower with 90 guys perfect :D did it for three months in bootcamp. Got no problem with it.
Funny how you bring up the " gay guy saves your life" thing, as once again that has been discussed. Oh, you said you didn't read anything else. Nice.
As I have said before, wait, let me quote it :D " I don't care if they are gay, bi, tranny, black, white, purple, w/e is they want to get their ass shot off with me, I'm for it"
You people can flame and dislike and hate me all you want. The bottom line is, this is what I know and what I believe. I can't expect you to come about to my way of thinking and you can't expect me to come about to yours. Am I wrong for sticking up for what I believe? If that's the case, I'm a fuckin outlaw. Stand for something or fall for anything.
I wish some of you had the experience of military, you would totally be on a whole different side of this conversation.
Can't expect any of you to see it this way I guess, unless you are serving or have actually served. You would see how a controversial subject like this could have a very negative impact on the military.
You guys, can disagree, in fact I am glad you do. I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone, and I definitely won't call you a retard, or say what you are saying is bullshit..
Hana, whatever you believe is cool bro. :D
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if god didn't want us to be born gay, would anybody in the world be gay? why would sins even exist?

You have free will to choose what you are going to do.
Due to the fact that some of you can't keep this mature enough to keep the name calling and the immature bullshit out of it, failing to maintain a level head, I'm done with this topic.
I stopped talking shit and flaming people when I grew up.
Just because I don't agree with gays serving openly in the military does not make me a homophobe. Was a nice try I guess.
This started out as a topic of why, I and many others felt that gays should not serve OPENLY in the military.
But now people have twisted and molded what I said and I'm a "homophobe" or a "prejudice against gays" guy.
Yeah, call it like you see it.
Good day to all of you.
Edited by Loki, Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:27 am.
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WildChild
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Difference between being afraid and hating them, I'm am the one who hates. :)
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adrian.. your a bastard, lol.
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But I have a father. :)
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o.O yes, but why do you hate gays? lolz
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"did you sit down one day during puberty and say 'ok, i'm going to like girls' and from there on out that's how you felt?"

did you honestly choose to like girls? just answer that question loki
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yeah like do u really think u can make ur dick change to getting a boner from girls to guys
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Loki
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No, basic human instinct makes me like females. :D I see where you're going Hana, but there is no logical proof.
This is my last post on this topic. Too much drama.
Edited by Loki, Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:20 am.
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lol loki, just backing right away.
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Loki
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Too much things on my mind lately to worry about other's beliefs. :D
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So many good people, good leaders, are going to end up having their hands full of litigation because some fuckin poopy poker didn't want to do what he was told, so he played the gay card. I however, can not stand by and just let that happen.


You act as though homosexuals are the only minority serving in the military. If this were really as big of a problem as you say it is, then women, blacks (especially), hispanics, people of all Asian cultures, pretty much anyone from a different country could feasably "play this card." And it obviously hasnt happened or our military would be in inoperable shambles

RaGe
 
So just because it's 2009 it's ok for what's morally wrong to take place?


It's morally wrong based on standards of misguided Christian men; the same standards that said it's OK to slaughter tens/hundreds thousands of Muslims in the crusades, and thousands of blacks after slavery. My examples are a bit outdated, but then again, so is your mindset.

RaGe
 
Our founding fathers of this country would shit their fuckin pants if they saw this shit. Those brave men who fought for what this nation is would of never let this happen. Believe that


I think Tonic touched on this one pretty nicely.

RaGe
 
Maybe you should 'wake the fuck up" and realize that this country is heading down a very dark path.


As much as the term "dark path" makes for a good joke about a black president, I'm afraid this is just fucking retarded. As far as I'm concerned, the dark path we're on is more because of the value of our dollar going down harder than a porn star, and our unenmployment rate seems to go up every month. If you think letting gays come out of the closet while in the service spells doom for the western world, you need to straighten some things out.

RaGe
 
I personally have nothing against the gay community


Really?

RaGe
 
It was bad enough with the don't ask don't tell policy


Sounds like an poorly mounted attempt to backtrack.

RaGe
 
You have to understand how the military works. The military works on orders being given, and orders being followed, down on through the chain of command. A lot of times you are told to do things that you don't like, things you don't want to. Cleaning the heads, toilets, police calling rocks, sweeping a sidewalk during the middle of a sand storm, etc. While most of these things are done with blind obedience ( comes with discipline), a lot of could be considered borderline hazing. Hazing is not allowed in the military and it will sure as shit get you demoted or even brig time. Now, let's say Pfc Fruit is told to go clean the toilets, and they are very, very nasty. If he Pfc Fruit doesn't want to clean the toilets, and none of us ever want to, then all he has to do is play the "he made me do it because I'm gay" card.


It sounds to me like the military has to understand how the outside world works. PFC Fruit? Thats pretty clever. No living being on the planet with the right amount of chromosomes will honestly believe the "he made me clean the toilet because I'm gay" argument. Why? Because last week, PFC StraightAndStupid had to do the exact same thing. I'm sure any example you throw at me can be countered just by that.

There's four pages of this shit, so rather than do this to all four pages, I'm just going to leave it at that and say: Most of your criteria for keeping the gays at bay are extremely arbitrary. The world changes and becomes acceptable of yesterday's taboos all the time. The people who were against racial minorities, women's rights, evolution, guess what. They all lost. Change comes around whether you accept it or not, so just make life easier on yourself and realize that. You constantly claim you have nothing against gays, and then in the next sentence make a retarded gesture like "PFC Fruit," or "the queers." There's a reason why the Marines are the most hated branch of the military. My brother also happens to be gay, and he's awesome. So you're walking on pretty thin ice with me.
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:29 am
Is this for real? If so, you need to wake the fuck up and realize what year it is. What's wrong with letting gays join and serve among side their fellow Americans in the first place? They are just like everybody else.
Nothing is wrong with letting gays do that shit. And gays ARE allowed to. They just can't say that they are gay. It's just asking for hate crimes.

And btw, it is a known fact that sexuality is genetic.
Edited by Aztec, Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:16 am.
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And btw, it is a known fact that sexuality is genetic.


I've done quite a bit of research, and I can say with certainty that you're wrong. It may play a part, but it's not entirely.
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take a class = all the research you can get. and it's a gained knowledge so you can get away without citing. :]

Oh and just in case, don't confuse genetic with heretic.

Basically, their brain and sex organs are opposite sexes, metaphorically speaking.
Edited by Aztec, Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:05 am.
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