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Question for Atheists
Topic Started: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:54 pm (1,920 Views)
DeMaGoG
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What year is it to you? I mean, it wouldn't make sense for you to use 2009 AD... Also, when reciting the pledge to the flag, do you say the whole thing? And are there any other things that would cause you to "contradict" your faith?
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Druzil
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You used the word faith in your question, but the point of being an atheist is your belief system isn't based on faith. Que?
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DeMaGoG
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Haha, it was a joke, although a debatable topic. Just to keep the debate from occurring, I'll say this. I went to this debate between two "believers" and two "non-believers." The topic of how it requires faith to believe or "not" believe came up. Of course, there was no way that they showed undoubtedly the answer to the debate, but the "believers" made a much stronger case on the subject. So there's no point in arguing over it since we won't make any headway.

Just to say what their arguement was, it was "since there is not enough evidence to clearly support either side," (both sides had evidence in their support) "it requires faith to not believe, just as it requires faith to believe." You can't really argue against that...

Anyway, still waiting on the answer to my questions :-p
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SniperLegend
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA

This.
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DeMaGoG
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Some people's internet connection is too slow for videos.
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SoniC
Too bad for them.
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GhosTy
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When Plan B fails, go back to Plan A and surprise them
It's just the Dane Cook joke on atheists about the atheist dying and becoming one with nature and sprouting up and becoming a tree and then some lumber jack showing up, cutting him down and printing the Bible on him
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SoniC
I really don't like Dane Cook at all in the first place.
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BraiN
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I don't say the pledge. I say 2009. No AD or BC or BCE bullshit.

Plain and simple. We came from monkeys :\ More some than others (George Bush) but still. Until you can prove God is real of course.

And btw, theres not much "faith" in Athetism ( i think thats the word? ) Basically 1 easy rule. Nothing exists beyond normal life. Not like theres anything besides the pledge that could "question" that...
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DeMaGoG
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That rule is based on faith though. Everyone has the same data available to them, so they either have faith that God and everything exists, or faith that it doesn't. No solid proof either way.
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Hanabito
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DeMaGoG
Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:36 pm
That rule is based on faith though. Everyone has the same data available to them, so they either have faith that God and everything exists, or faith that it doesn't. No solid proof either way.
faith can be interpreted two different ways, and it sounds like you're doing it both ways in the same argument
Dictionary.com -
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing
2. belief that is not based on proof
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion

"faith that God and everything exists" - 2 and 3

"faith that it doesn't" - 1

you make it out to sound like atheists practice their "religion," by going to church every sunday and memorizing/reciting things from an old book. atheism is much more practical and doesn't require you to take tremendous leaps saying people came back to life and were conceived in a virgin womb, and is just more logical
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DeMaGoG
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It's got nothing to do with how you do things, or what you do. Just why you do it.

If that makes any sense anyway... I didn't really put any thought into it, watching a movie...
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Tonic
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This is the silliest argument I've ever heard.

Scientists , or just educated people in general, use C.E. and B.C.E., or Common Era and Before Common Era. It's just a reference point used for comparison of other years. They decided to use the year zero, not for any religious purpose, but simply because most people today are acquainted with it and it's only practical.

Also, even if we used B.C. and A.D., then it wouldn't require us to be theistic anyway. It is generally acknowledged that Jesus Christ existed at some point, but not everyone believes he was the Son of God, or even particularly important. Since Christianity has played such an important role in contemporary history of our culture, then of course we'd use the customary practice of counting years from year zero. It would be silly to do otherwise, religious or not. And while some other cultures have their own counting systems, they still acknowledge the C.E. and B.C.E. system.

When we say the year 2000, we mean 2000 years from the year 0. 0 is simply the reference point. For Christians this might be an important year, but for the rest it is simply a year that we use as a standard to count forward from, which is called the Common Era from that point on.

And the pledge thing, that's pretty self-explanatory.
Edited by Tonic, Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:57 pm.
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DeMaGoG
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I've never heard of a year 0. Would that even be considered as part of a century? Unless they changed it, a century doesn't change until the year after the '00 year. So it wasn't the 21st century until 2001. That's because there was no 0 year and a century is 100 years.

But maybe that's only true for BC/AD? I've never really seen the other stuff you mentioned much, so I can't say I know much about it.

And I wasn't using the questions I asked at first as an argument, I asked them for an answer. The only argument has been about faith.
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Tonic
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You're right, the year 0 is not commonly used. Regardless, the point still stands. Year 1 instead of Year 0.

A relevant example I can think of is the temperature scale, Celsius.

Let's imagine that Celsius has similar origins to the B.C., A.D. system. Jesus' body came back to life a long time ago at exactly 0 degrees or whatever. Would someone using that system today to quantify temperature because it's practical and widespread have anything to do with the religious beliefs of that person? Does he have to think that Jesus was the Son of God? Or could they just use it because it's the norm and commonly understood by almost everyone?

I hope that cleared it up a bit.
Edited by Tonic, Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:08 am.
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DeMaGoG
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No I already understood all of that, I didn't need any clearing up.

And I'm asking for your personal reasons, not general stuff...

I'm not here for arguement, just answers, hence not putting it in serious discussion.

And sorry if my thought process doesn't make sense, but like I said, I'm watching tv, and not too focused on this...
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FaZ-
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I find most hardcore atheists to be almost as dumb as hardcore religious people. People are atheists now because it's the "intellectual" thing to do or because they hate the religion that their parents imposed on them and aren't aware of alternatives.

I could never be an atheist for the simple fact that you are taking something to be true which cannot under any circumstances be proven. That is essentially the definition of faith.
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DeMaGoG
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So you're just saying you would rather know for sure which is right, then make your choice?
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Xtreme
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I am atheist because I just don't give a fuck about stuff that never existed.
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DeMaGoG
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But you have to have faith that it never existed :-p
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