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Topic Started: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:29 am (1,269 Views)
SOLAR
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Truths :

1. It is harder to kill an armed opponent, than to bring a flag from point A to point B.

2. In order to return the flag SOMEONE needs to get kills, in order to remove the enemy from the path.

3. The logical conclusion for these facts are that people deserve the points for clearing it, more than for the act of returning a flag..
Edited by SOLAR, Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:36 am.
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Exactly. Now I don't understand why everyone was talking about "skill for flagging if the enemy isn't killed". The point is that whether your partner gets the necessary kills or you do, SOMEONE is going to get the credit they deserve for doing it. You flag and then clear for yourself? Great, you get points for your kills. The fact that you carry the flag is just...baggage. 15 points in game. That's not the skill. The skill was killing. Did you flag and then dodge? How do you get to have MVP points for that "skill". You cliffed and waited. Or you ran. Or juked. Big deal, how should that get you points on the MVP counter? Not to mention that about 75 to 80% of the time when someone flags and then cliff-sits or tries to dodge, they get flagged by the other team. Still think you should get MVP points for that?

Kills are what get the flags. Or rather kills are what take the skill. You kill with flag, you get credit for kills. Your partner clears, they get credit. You dodge? Good for you, want a flag medal? Do it 5 more times. Don't ask for MVP.
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:57 pm
And I think you all need to learn triggers, there hasn't been an intelligent central map coded since Twip- and Consumed. did ++.
Speaking of, did DaMeiN ever get around to re-doing the ++? I remember we were going to have a test to see if it really was drift free, but I don't remember anything coming of it.
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FaZ-
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I posted up the terrain somewhere, as well as my modified version that has most of the current fogs, but I don't know whether anyone did something with it. My map was already substantially less drifty than the current map, but the drifts that did exist were fully new, which a lot of people took as anti-progress.
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Druzil
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:58 am
Exactly. Now I don't understand why everyone was talking about "skill for flagging if the enemy isn't killed". The point is that whether your partner gets the necessary kills or you do, SOMEONE is going to get the credit they deserve for doing it. You flag and then clear for yourself? Great, you get points for your kills. The fact that you carry the flag is just...baggage. 15 points in game. That's not the skill. The skill was killing. Did you flag and then dodge? How do you get to have MVP points for that "skill". You cliffed and waited. Or you ran. Or juked. Big deal, how should that get you points on the MVP counter? Not to mention that about 75 to 80% of the time when someone flags and then cliff-sits or tries to dodge, they get flagged by the other team. Still think you should get MVP points for that?

Kills are what get the flags. Or rather kills are what take the skill. You kill with flag, you get credit for kills. Your partner clears, they get credit. You dodge? Good for you, want a flag medal? Do it 5 more times. Don't ask for MVP.
My AKA online is TkO-D. I'll 2v2 private you and show you how ridiculously wrong you are.

If you're really so stupid as to think flagging is simply running from point A to point B then you are either a horrible sniper or just retarded. Juking DOES take skill. Just because some of the time when you flag it's already clear, doesn't mean you shouldn't be rewarded any MVP points for flagging. Anyone who has played competitively (with actual skilled players) will know that flagging is the most important element in snipers.
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flagging is the most important element in snipers.

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flagging is the most important element in snipers.

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Druzil
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I hope you realize that doesn't mean +1 post count, they're agreeing with me when I said flagging is the most important element in snipers.
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Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:05 pm
I hope you realize that doesn't mean +1 post count, they're agreeing with me when I said flagging is the most important element in snipers.
of course and +1.
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Um yes I got that. Flagging is the most important part of snipers. You are trying to say that just because that is true that it should give you more mvp points. That isn't true. Touchdowns are the most important part of a football game, but do you think the player that gets 4 TD receptions in a game at 5 yards per reception deserves an "mvp" for the game over, say, the runningback that rushed for over 200 yards? Of course flagging is the most important part of the game. That's a moot point. That doesn't mean you get more MVP points for it. The point of snipers is to win, by points yes. The skill of snipers is kiling. Compared to that the "skill" it takes to flag is insignificant. You kill to the end of flagging, obviously. No one disagrees with you. But you weren't making a "good point" either. Anyone can say something true like that. It doesn't prove what you say at all. Address the arguments, don't storm in with your bitch-on-a-7-week-period attitude spouting obvious shit like "flagging is the most important part of the game" when that has nothing to do with my, rather long, proof of a quote.
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Druzil
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You are fucking retarded. Seriously, you have to have some mental defect to completely miss every single point that's been put forward in this discussion. I'll reiterate for your dumb ass.

1. Snipers is NOT a sport. Using football as an analogy is both pointless and inaccurate.
2. No one is refuting that killing in snipers takes skill, but the main point is that flagging takes skill as well.
3. You saying flagging is simply going from one end of the map to the other is also highly inaccurate. If that's the case for your games then the skill level is extremely low.

I even offered to prove to you in a private game how wrong you are. I could flag and maybe get 20 kills in a whole game and still 200+ you with ease. 75% of these flags I could run back with maybe having to kill one of the opposing snipers. You saying flagging takes no skill just proves your ignorance and lack of skill in that element of snipers, it is not our fault you play a one dimensional game.

I'm sick of you talking. If you want to prove this theory than play me, I'll gladly prove you wrong and absolutely stomp your ass. Step up or shut the fuck up.
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No because see, you are just reiterating arguments from what 8, 10 posts ago? This is a MOVING discussion, those have been talked about already. I did not say that flagging takes no skill. I said it should not give any MORE mvp points than a kill. I said that the skill for flagging is comparitively LITTLE compared to the skill of killing. You are the one who is not answering the arguments, not me. I am not answering what you said because past posts have already dealt with what you are saying.

Just because you could run back with a flag and not have to kill anyone doesn't mean you made a positive move. If you flagged and made a "skilled" dodge, nothing is stoping the opponent from doing the EXACT same thing. I have 20 points. You have 18. You flag, dodge; I flag, dodge, we both flagged yes. The score is exactly the same; you just add 15 to both sides. Still a 2 point difference. In fact, it is the EXCEPTION to any rule to have you say you could get "20 kills and still 200+" anyone. Kills pave the road for POSITIVE flags. No kills usually just means a trade. Good luck +anything with that strategy.

Oh, and snipers isn't not a sport just because you say so, Drew. So if I were you I'd get my fatass together and actually say pertinent, defensible things, instead of storming around and claiming things just for the sake of claiming them. You are the one that needs a severe GTFO.
Edited by HaZy, Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:50 am.
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Druzil
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Wow. Your stupidity leaves me speechless. I reiterated because you completely missed the point. You just sidestep what you don't want to respond to, you haven't given any support that refutes my point other than saying it's not that way because you say so.

Talk is cheap, play me, I'll prove how off base you are. Once again, step up or shut the fuck up.
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Lol, right on Druzzy regulate that bitch. ;)
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