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Suggestion Box; Help make the league better!
Topic Started: Sun Jun 3, 2012 10:23 pm (239 Views)
skiD
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Feedback is welcome! Help the league be a success. What do you think we should work on to make it better?
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Trav
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I believe map 1.13 should be used for league play when it is finalized (might already be too lazy to find out).
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LaZ
My name is Gokhan.
What's the reasoning behind not allowing your gamma slider to come back to where it was before? I was under the impression that the gamma check is catch SaVoR's SA, which only works at a certain gamma setting. Posted Image
I ask this because I often have intense glare on my monitor and setting gamma to maximum helps alleviate the problem. As long as the slider is not at the magical setting above it should be allowed IMO.


EDIT: Also, perhaps you could outline what should be done if a game is tied.
Edited by LaZ, Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:13 am.
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skiD
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Hmm, I am not exactly sure LaZeR. I was maybe falsely told by Etra that it should have be this way. What is the best way to go?

As for ties, you're right. I realised yesterday I didn't have a rule on ties or drops... I will write one ASAP.
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LaZ
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skiD
Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:39 am
Hmm, I am not exactly sure LaZeR. I was maybe falsely told by Etra that it should have be this way. What is the best way to go?
The slider should be moved around, then brought to rest at any setting except the SA trigger setting.
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SiT
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moving gamma is pointless. it doesn't stop the main SA floating around at all :/
only way to ensure SA isn't used is through a task manager check, where the person would open up their processes and scroll through, or just spam "s" to see if there is a SA.exe
but i feel a lot of people will be against this as it is time consuming, and they hack, so meh
will be more then happy to provide the link to the main SA floating around to damein so he can confirm that yes, it does work on the new map and yes, gamma check doesn't stop it in the slightest (if anyone thinks im just bs'in)
im pretty sure you cant make an anti for it either, or at least it is extremely fucken hard

no flame please brah's. just tryna tell yah whats good and hopefully enhance your gaming experience through not having to change your gamma every game.
xoxo gossip girl

[edit] actually disregard what i said about changing gamma being pointless, theirs probably other versions which it may stop, im just bringing light to the fact that there are SA's out there not reliant on gamma. and the only real way to stop SA completely is through a task manager check. however there's probably ways around this too like changing the file name or w/e
such is life, btw strong rant/10; gj camp you fucken loser
Edited by SiT, Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:47 am.
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SiT
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LaZ
Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:09 am
What's the reasoning behind not allowing your gamma slider to come back to where it was before? I was under the impression that the gamma check is catch SaVoR's SA, which only works at a certain gamma setting.
I ask this because I often have intense glare on my monitor and setting gamma to maximum helps alleviate the problem. As long as the slider is not at the magical setting above it should be allowed IMO.
AKA your SA only works at max gamma ;)
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LaZ
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CaMp
Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:50 am
LaZ
Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:09 am
What's the reasoning behind not allowing your gamma slider to come back to where it was before? I was under the impression that the gamma check is catch SaVoR's SA, which only works at a certain gamma setting.
I ask this because I often have intense glare on my monitor and setting gamma to maximum helps alleviate the problem. As long as the slider is not at the magical setting above it should be allowed IMO.
AKA your SA only works at max gamma ;)
Or I'm not newb enough to use an SA that is triggered by gamma ;)
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XpLoiTeD
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Okay, I'll explain.

When you hover over a teammate, you're cursor turns green, when you hover an enemy it turns red. Since we are all allied, it turns green no matter what. SA is set to read the color green and when it finds it, it sends a LEFT MOUSE CLICK. Now, originally, it was only set to the default green, but when you change the gamma, it changes the shade of green, so the HEX COLOR changes from 1 shade of green to another shade of green, or 1 hex code to another hex code.

The public SA reads all shades of green provided on all gamma settings, so gamma is now pointless cause instead of reading 1 hex code, its scanning all the green shades that SC does.

Edit: Hex Colors are the Red/blue/green mix, mixing at different amounts gives u a combination of any color. You set it to code form so the cpu understands it. For example 0xFFFFFF if pure WHITE. 0x0000FF is BLUE. Each color you see has its own unique hex code at a certain shade.
Edited by XpLoiTeD, Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:10 pm.
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Rigo
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is gamma check is pointless now is what your saying lol
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XpLoiTeD
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Gammas been pointless, I've been trying to explain that to people. So is doing Lat Checks. We originally did Lat checks cause when you go to the LOW MED HIGH settings for Latency [which we always set to LOW] there was a yellow dot in the LOW setting [or whatever setting you have yours to].

Originally, Latency Hack removed that yellow dot completely, so all 3 boxes were just black circles, this was a given somebody had Latency Hack loaded. They updated the hack so the yellow dot still appears, so now Lat checks are just as pointless as gamma checks.

Both of these hacks were updated to compensate for our routine Lat n Gamma checks, meaning somebody in the sniper community used that against us and either updated the hack themselves, or asked a script kiddie to do it for them and release it publically.
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skiD
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Well if it can stop 1 SA it's already something HUH! It's not a big effort!
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ChEcK
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I'll say it again. Signed contracts in blood by everyone. :) Kidding aside. If we record, any one of us could easily tell from a video is someone is legitimately playing or hacking. We've all been doing this for years. If there are refs, and there is a claim, Simply review the vid. If there seems to be something off about it, DQ them. Thats it.

I suppose we should probably add some of our great grey area sitting rules to the rule book
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XpLoiTeD
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I think we should make it a rule to run recordings @ 23-25 frames per sec. This gives a solid smooth recording and is perfectly possible.
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LockeD
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Cry to me Newbs
Aa good league is when the host updates standing every day.
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SiT
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There's a lot of free agents and people who wish to play so I'm thinking we should make it 5 players per team instead of 4.
Don't know about everybody else's team but coming from a highly inactive team an extra player would be really helpful in allowing us to keep up in terms of games played with other teams.
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DaMeiN
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Now, if you haven't read up on the idea I presented please do so here. But, also watch this video. I show you how we can determine if someone is hacking using SA and LH, the only two hacks out there that aren't .dll injections, which the Process Explorer program will handle.

Process Monitor

Sorry for the long waits before anything happens, I was actually talking through it all.. but the audio didn't encode properly.

Step by step whats happening:

1: I first un-filter everything.
2: I load LH
3: I change the filter to find LH
4: I change the filter to find everything again
5: I close LH
6: I re-filter LH
7: I show that it did indeed close out LH, and still shows up


Repeat and rinse for SA

Watch the video, any questions let me know.

As for the other hacks, IE MH ect. we will use the process explorer. This will allow the league to be 100% un-hackable. I think we should implement this in ASAP. Also, like Vic said we should make it a rule you have to record at 24FPS, that way we can see the text in the video for the checks.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Edited by DaMeiN, Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:36 pm.
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LockeD
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Implement Task Manager aswell Skid ASAP.. I heard vic hacking ppl in league!!
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