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Topic Started: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:15 am (13,482 Views)
777averick
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UPDATED DEC 24, 2014:
The entire list will be revealed sometime tomorrow on Christmas day.

UPDATED OCT 28, 2014:
The rest of the entries will be done with a more visually appealing presentation. The remaining 15 should be completed in November (of this year).

UPDATED AUG 2, 2014:
Slowly but surely this will be completed someday.

UPDATED AUG 19, 2013:
This is a cumulative analysis after years of playing the game. Everything is subjective, so please don't take it personally if you don't agree with where I placed certain individuals. I have also included a rubric on how I grade individuals. Read the following below on how I will evaluate players:

Criteria: Possible maximum of 45 points

A. Legitimacy [1 ---> 10]
One of the most controversial things about our game is whether or not ex-hackers should be allowed to be put into a list such as this. I think so. For those who have been caught hacking in the past, I have graded them more harshly than those with a clean record. Remember that everything is subjective.

LEGITIMACY SCORE SYSTEM


B. Skills [1 ---> 10]
Having knowledge is one thing, but being able to apply it during game time is another. While having knowledge is important in succeeding, being able to execute it effectively is much more vital. There are a lot of knowledgeable people that aren't great players. Then there are others that aren't knowledgeable in every facet of the game, but are still able to succeed due to their natural ability to play the game. Lastly, there are a rare group of individuals that are both knowledgeable and skilled at the same time. These folks are the ones that will score the highest in this category.

SKILLS SCORE SYSTEM


C. Knowledge [1 ---> 10]
Certain people in this community have been able to dissect and understand the game better than others. These individuals understand the nuances of the game that other simple-minded folks would rather ignore than embrace. Many of the skeptics of snipers have claimed that this game requires no skill. For us more experienced players, this is not the case. Certain pioneers of various tactics such as glitching, shs, dlocks will be also ranked higher in this category.

KNOWLEDGE SCORE SYSTEM


D. Teamwork [1 ---> 10]
A partner that you have great chemistry with is usually more than enough to give your team the upper-hand against your opponents. There are certain individuals that will adapt to their partners style of play to compliment their games. For others, it's either their way or the highway. There are people that I've been able to play with over the years simply because their style works with mine or that they are team players. To be clear, this category has to do with an individuals ability to play with others. There are a lot of people that have shitty personalities, but can still play a team game.

TEAMWORK SCORE SYSTEM


E. Personality[1 ---> 5]
Why did I add a category where someone's likableness counts towards their value as a sniper player? For partners, I tend to play better with people that I get along with. People that are calm and collected put me at ease during game time. People that get nervous and angry easily can ruin the momentum/chemistry of the team. If I can't stand you, there is a higher chance of me playing under stress. I hate stress. I think you get the point here. If I were facing you, games are more fun to play in when both parties have nothing to lose. These are games where the outcome won't make or break relationships. This isn't to say that I don't like competition. I thrive it, but there are those that treat this game like it's larger than life. Yes, I enjoy this game a lot, but there is no reason to create unnecessary drama. At the end of the day, one of the reasons why the game is dying simply because of these cancerous personalities. One exception from what I just mentioned are those players that are sore losers. Even if you are easy to deal with outside of the game doesn't mean that you are just as pleasant to be around during games. These people will also be ranked low in this category.

PERSONALITY SCORE SYSTEM


Tie Breaking Process:
If there is a tie in overall rating, I will decide the higher ranked player based on this order: Legitimacy > Skills > Knowledge > Teamwork > Personality
If players are tied in every single category, I will just choose the player I think is better skill-wise.
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LockeD
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:12 pm
Lol Hugo. U should be callin me daddy.. I introduced you to hydra Zones, rub, and even took you under my wing when u came from west as a laser tagging newb in snipers.. Hahahahahaha but seriously... I don't have a mouse or the game... And I barely have time. Besides kids would cry for me to record again and I don't got one to upload lmao
Lmao u fucker I Introduced you to those games u fucking nigger.

The game is free online ill give u a key.. And u dont have a mouse? Really??
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Rigo
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mav can settle this with the 2nd half of his list! the most important part lol
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TeaLaGe
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:45 pm
@Snoopy:
Legitimacy is a large part of Mav's 101. Mentioning the discrepancies in Mav's assessments is adding to the knowledge base of the discussion and it seems relevant to me. So, I'm going to continue.

@TeaRaGe:
There's no rule against making multiple accounts. You should know that very well. You had to make sD)TeaL when sD)TeaLaGe was banned for hacking. Dumb hacker. Don't hack, you won't get banned.

You spend your days and nights crying about DiCe. News flash, you were caught with a banned account, not DiCe.
DiCe: 1
TeaRaGe: 0

And, uh, I have no evidence of legitimacy? Is that what you mean? Because if that's what you mean, I'm the #1 recorded sniper.

Over 600 recordings, with success against every level player, in case it slipped your little "brain." When it comes to evidence of legitimacy, I am the king.

Either way, wishing you and Spec the best down there in Igotcaughthackingbutdon'thavethenutstoadmititville. Maybe Mav will give you a satisfactory rating.
You have just as much integrity as dice which is almost zero.

Anyone can record 600 games but most of those players don't cheat on the scale like you do. Infact nobody even records every single game regardless of the teammates as much as you do. Blatant Sitting/Camping? No problem, Stacked teams? no problem, Hackers on team? no problem. That's your idea of "legitimacy". You're already been outted as a loser who tries to make up wins during a clan war by posting records vs players who aren't even in the clan before and after.

Every single one of those records is a evidence that you're the worst example of a cheater.

Let me say this again. You dont care if you sit because the only thing that matter to you is winning. You blatanly ignores rules of gameplay and pretty much started the trend on sitting. People claim sits on you because YOU do sit.

Got ss of you admitting to hacks +1
Get caught hacking snipes +1
Get caught sitting and kicked out of tournies? +999
Get owned 20x in 1 month while sitting?

Priceless

Show me a record from every single smurf name you used last year? Year before that? You cant. We dont know how many names you really smurfed and hacked on. Its safe to assume that every account created was used for hacking or cheating.

When it comes to legitimacy, you're slightly above dice.

Show me proof of me getting banned? None, just as much proof of you hacking on all those smurf name. But hey my opinion is as good as anyone else.

#showmeproofofhacksotherwiseyou'rejustadmittingtobeingaretard.

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Quit sitting and hacking, maybe you will be recognized as legitimate someday.

Edited by TeaLaGe, Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:28 am.
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SpeciaLisT
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:28 am
Spec and TeaL in same category. Caught years ago, and yet still in total denial.

Anyway... this is all arbitrary. Why complain?
I don't even care. I'm barely active. Opinions are opinions, like everyone has said we will never really know what each sniper has done behind their computer screens.
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Rigo
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i think it's going to be over a yr lol
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Rigo
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i made a joke that it wud be in 2013 lmfao it's gonna be in 14 now lol
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BanG
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SpeciaLisT
Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:42 pm
EpYoN
Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:28 am
Spec and TeaL in same category. Caught years ago, and yet still in total denial.

Anyway... this is all arbitrary. Why complain?
I don't even care. I'm barely active. Opinions are opinions, like everyone has said we will never really know what each sniper has done behind their computer screens.
Cept for the people that got caught by warden n such ;)
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skiD
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Wtf how is this not over yet lol Mav you hoe
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LockeD
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Cry to me Newbs
Mav finish the list who cares abt the description now seriously
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Princess
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Where is the finished list? I can't find it.
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skiD
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He never finished it
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777averick
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I plan on finishing the list the way I started it. Even if it takes forever, so be it.
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LockeD
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EpYoN
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:39 pm
40.LockeD
Not on the list: TtS

It's ok you'll make it #1 on the ''i had to hack more than once to compensate my lack of skills'' List
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LockeD
Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:18 pm
EpYoN
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:39 pm
40.LockeD
Not on the list: TtS

It's ok you'll make it #1 on the ''i had to hack more than once to compensate my lack of skills'' List
I'm (almost) proud of your English :')
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SaVoR
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Haha I just found this thread. It's pretty funny actually.

Mav - I take no offence, not a big deal. I do admit I was a bitch back then, but you are right.. who knows how much work I actually put into the maps I was working on.. but I can tell you it only took me 30 minutes to create the SA script in autoit.. and I poured days of work into the maps for this community, whether or not they were released work was still being put into them. The worst part about map making is putting out something that satisfies everyone, I know you may not have a problem with just pumping out a map and not really caring who it impresses, but it mattered to me.

Legitimacy: I can safely say (whether any of you believe me or not) I was 100% legit until around 2004/2005 though I can't remember exactly when the script was made. I used that script in almost every game within the first month of creating it, after that it was sporadic use and not long after that I lost the script and was no longer using it, around that same time is when I became less active as well. Recording was not much of an option for me for the majority of my sniping career as I was stuck on dial up and was not worth my time uploading a video for days. If you wanted me to share the script out to everyone, I could have.. it is only 10 lines of code and took hardly any effort in creating. Your over exaggeration of me 'programming hacks' on the daily is a bit much, and to be honest I spent far more time trying to prevent all hacks, even my own script more than I spent using the damn thing. If it is really that big of a deal, I can re-create the script (since it has been long deleted) and post the source right here for you guys? Maybe you can figure out how to stop it since I have issues finishing things that I start.

All things set aside, a bit disappointed I was that low on the chart.. but it really doesn't matter anyway, I tried to do good things for this community but it turned into a wasteland and a shithole.. its fun to be nostalgic but its no fun trying to do things for people that don't give a shit either way.

EDIT: Infact.. It just took me 10 minutes to recreate the script, and I didn't even have to load starcraft to do it. Like I said, it isn't hard to do it. I spent little to no time doing so..
Edited by SaVoR, Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:58 am.
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Tina
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Sick, so with only 40 spots left I know I'm in the top o.o
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Drinks
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Well, this escalated quickly. All of a sudden, a bunch of activity on the forums again.
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TeaLaGe
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:47 am
Haha I just found this thread. It's pretty funny actually.

Mav - I take no offence, not a big deal. I do admit I was a bitch back then, but you are right.. who knows how much work I actually put into the maps I was working on.. but I can tell you it only took me 30 minutes to create the SA script in autoit.. and I poured days of work into the maps for this community, whether or not they were released work was still being put into them. The worst part about map making is putting out something that satisfies everyone, I know you may not have a problem with just pumping out a map and not really caring who it impresses, but it mattered to me.

Legitimacy: I can safely say (whether any of you believe me or not) I was 100% legit until around 2004/2005 though I can't remember exactly when the script was made. I used that script in almost every game within the first month of creating it, after that it was sporadic use and not long after that I lost the script and was no longer using it, around that same time is when I became less active as well. Recording was not much of an option for me for the majority of my sniping career as I was stuck on dial up and was not worth my time uploading a video for days. If you wanted me to share the script out to everyone, I could have.. it is only 10 lines of code and took hardly any effort in creating. Your over exaggeration of me 'programming hacks' on the daily is a bit much, and to be honest I spent far more time trying to prevent all hacks, even my own script more than I spent using the damn thing. If it is really that big of a deal, I can re-create the script (since it has been long deleted) and post the source right here for you guys? Maybe you can figure out how to stop it since I have issues finishing things that I start.

All things set aside, a bit disappointed I was that low on the chart.. but it really doesn't matter anyway, I tried to do good things for this community but it turned into a wasteland and a shithole.. its fun to be nostalgic but its no fun trying to do things for people that don't give a shit either way.

EDIT: Infact.. It just took me 10 minutes to recreate the script, and I didn't even have to load starcraft to do it. Like I said, it isn't hard to do it. I spent little to no time doing so..
Whats the point? Already a public version available.

Any *pro mapmaker* like you and damein should be exempted when it came to hacking, but the problem is you guys made the hacks and released it into the public. Whats the point of making a great map if your gonna abuse it by releasing a program for it?

Sure it doesnt take a genius to make one or google it, but it takes integrity(which dice has none+tts sits) to play fair

Nobody here is really legit, only way to prove it is going to each other house and watch each other game.
Edited by TeaLaGe, Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:56 am.
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SaVoR
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:54 am
Any *pro mapmaker* like you and damein should be exempted when it came to hacking, but the problem is you guys made the hacks and released it into the public. Whats the point of making a great map if your gonna abuse it by releasing a program for it?

Sure it doesnt take a genius to make one or google it, but it takes integrity(which dice has none+tts sits) to play fair

Nobody here is really legit, only way to prove it is going to each other house and watch each other game.
The difference between intentions of the script were already discussed in other threads years ago, but I will re-iterate for the sake of those who don't know.

The *only* reason why I made that script was to see if it could be done. After that, I tried to find ways to stop it and failed to do so. It wasn't to gain any sort of advantage over anyone else, if I wanted to do that I would have resorted to maphacking and using the SA that vague made. SA already existed mind all of you, my purpose was curiosity, not downloaded skills. It just so happen that what I made was many times better than what Vague made, which is unfortunate but life goes on.
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TeaLaGe
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Who knows u probably still sa or mh.

20+ in 1 month sit and lose.
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