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DISCUSSION; Discussion about the league
Topic Started: Tue Feb 4, 2014 12:46 am (5,157 Views)
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1.Game time: 21:24 - 20:50
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsrpa7-p6hI&feature=youtu.be
3. Well, you can clearly see Blood watch both Mav and I proceed up the middle, without vision of him. As we proceed to go up, he waits right outside of our base vision. When he sees white die, he proceeds to wait by dancing outside of base vision, and then times his walk to spam white's respawn thus resulting in a camp. Also, I guess this would be considered a sit too, since he decided to stay in one area of the map in order to give himself an advantage. He was only doing this so he could easily +15, which he did.


CAMPING - Defined as when the "FLAG IS SET":
Situation 1: (You have time to escape and the RSer's are NOT a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, once you grab their flag you have to get out immediately and are only allowed to shoot the opponents respawn if: a) they are within range; b) they lunge towards you presenting a potential threat; c) your initial exit route has become blocked/guarded hence you have to change directions - could be a combination of these options occurring simultaneously
Situation 2: (You DO NOT have time to escape and the RSer's are a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, you are allowed to use any form of movement (dancing of any direction) to defend yourself from the inevitable respawn(s)

SITTING Defined as:
Failing to advance in an attempt to capture the opponents flag when the opportunity is available
Remaining in or around base vision when no immediate threat to the flag has been made or can be reasonably predicted
Excessive trail visioning or luring in a short range of space
Remaining excessively in blind spots or fog areas when the ability to advance is available


I'm just going to lol @ this and answer the rest later.
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So according to tealage, you can sit and lure rs's and plan for a slight mc and then camp ''he turned and faced me...''
Yea what was I suppose to do let him shoot me... oh... I guess I was...

I always thought it would be like following distance in a car, etiquette should be like 5 sniper distances after rs if flags not set LOL
Edited by joints, Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:16 pm.
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What a great co-host.
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SpeciaLisT
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Yo tealage you fucked up again...Verdict was a camp for Smooth = Autoloss = 2-0 Us. and I got a mvp gm1... My stats should be 12W-5L-6MVP.
Edited by SpeciaLisT, Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:39 am.
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xX]Smooth[Xx - 1 Infraction Pt


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/4. CAMPING
Defined as when the "FLAG IS NOT SET":

The act of killing an opponents respawn when the flag is not set
It not considered camping if a player kills a respawn when the flag is not set and they are retreating from an opponent chasing him/her

Defined as when the "FLAG IS SET":

Situation 1: (You have time to escape and the RSer's are NOT a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, once you grab their flag you have to get out immediately and are only allowed to shoot the opponents respawn if: a) they are within range; b) they lunge towards you presenting a potential threat; c) your initial exit route has become blocked/guarded hence you have to change directions - could be a combination of these options occurring simultaneously
Situation 2: (You DO NOT have time to escape and the RSer's are a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, you are allowed to use any form of movement (dancing of any direction) to defend yourself from the inevitable respawn(s)

*Camps will be enforced more harshly when the game is close and/or with a short amount of time remaining in the game. Severity whether minor/major will be judged through the discretion of the officials.

*Potential of receiving both infraction points and AUTOLOSS of the game if judges/officials decides so
1st offense: 1 Infraction Point
2nd offense: 2 Infraction Points
3rd offense: 3 Infraction Points
4th offense: 7 Infraction Points (AUTO BAN FROM LEAGUE)


what autoloss?
Edited by TeaLaGe, Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 am.
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xX]Smooth[Xx - 1 Infraction Pt


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/4. CAMPING
Defined as when the "FLAG IS NOT SET":

The act of killing an opponents respawn when the flag is not set
It not considered camping if a player kills a respawn when the flag is not set and they are retreating from an opponent chasing him/her

Defined as when the "FLAG IS SET":

Situation 1: (You have time to escape and the RSer's are NOT a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, once you grab their flag you have to get out immediately and are only allowed to shoot the opponents respawn if: a) they are within range; b) they lunge towards you presenting a potential threat; c) your initial exit route has become blocked/guarded hence you have to change directions - could be a combination of these options occurring simultaneously
Situation 2: (You DO NOT have time to escape and the RSer's are a potential threat) If the path is clear and you are progressing toward their base to grab their flag, you are allowed to use any form of movement (dancing of any direction) to defend yourself from the inevitable respawn(s)

*Camps will be enforced more harshly when the game is close and/or with a short amount of time remaining in the game. Severity whether minor/major will be judged through the discretion of the officials.

*Potential of receiving both infraction points and AUTOLOSS of the game if judges/officials decides so
1st offense: 1 Infraction Point
2nd offense: 2 Infraction Points
3rd offense: 3 Infraction Points
4th offense: 7 Infraction Points (AUTO BAN FROM LEAGUE)


what autoloss?
Mav told me its an auto loss...regardless there was no task at end for gm3...so if its an auto loss its 2-0 us, if its not an auto loss, then its still 2-1 us. Task = Auto loss.
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Mav told me its an auto loss...regardless there was no task at end for gm3...so if its an auto loss its 2-0 us, if its not an auto loss, then its still 2-1 us. Task = Auto loss.


Unfortunately it does not work that way. Nowhere does it say "autoloss" anywhere.

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xX]Smooth[Xx - 1 Infraction Pt


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Feb 24: 040 (G2-G3) - Insufficient Recordings - Incomplete Checks - forgot to select "Show processes from all users" for G2 + G3 and failed to perform a task check at the end of G3 (2nd offense-Exception): 2 Infraction Points

Trav, please help xX]sMooTh[Xx with performing checks properly. Thanks.
Edited by TeaLaGe, Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:10 am.
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Wait it doesn't work like that? So I can not do a task, get an infraction point and win? O really?
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Wait it doesn't work like that? So I can not do a task, get an infraction point and win? O really?
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Feb 20: 021 (G1) - Insufficient Recordings - No Video - (1st offense): 1 Infraction Point + AUTOLOSS
Feb 20: 021 (G2) - Insufficient Recordings - Incomplete Checks - forgot to select "Show processes from all users" (1st offense): 1 Infraction Point
Feb 20: 028 (G2) - Behavioral Misconduct - Leaving Game Early - messes up stats: 1 Infraction Point + WARNING - next offense is 3 Infraction Points + 1 Week Suspension from the league
Feb 23: 040 (G2) - Camping (1st offense) 1 Infraction Point
Feb 24: 040 (G2-G3) - Insufficient Recordings - Incomplete Checks - forgot to select "Show processes from all users" for G2 + G3 and failed to perform a task check at the end of G3 (2nd offense-Exception): 2 Infraction Points

xX]sMooTh[Xx will be banned from the league this season if he reaches 7/7 Infraction Points. His team captain will need to keep him updated on the RULES and FORMAT for the future


http://s15.zetaboards.com/Sniper_League/topic/7612565/1/#new


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You did not receive a win for Game 040.

Please provide evidence if you do have it.

+added missing mvp
Edited by TeaLaGe, Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:19 am.
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Feb 20: 021 (G1) - Insufficient Recordings - No Video - (1st offense): 1 Infraction Point + AUTOLOSS
Feb 20: 021 (G2) - Insufficient Recordings - Incomplete Checks - forgot to select "Show processes from all users" (1st offense): 1 Infraction Point
Feb 20: 028 (G2) - Behavioral Misconduct - Leaving Game Early - messes up stats: 1 Infraction Point + WARNING - next offense is 3 Infraction Points + 1 Week Suspension from the league
Feb 23: 040 (G2) - Camping (1st offense) 1 Infraction Point
Feb 24: 040 (G2-G3) - Insufficient Recordings - Incomplete Checks - forgot to select "Show processes from all users" for G2 + G3 and failed to perform a task check at the end of G3 (2nd offense-Exception): 2 Infraction Points

xX]sMooTh[Xx will be banned from the league this season if he reaches 7/7 Infraction Points. His team captain will need to keep him updated on the RULES and FORMAT for the future

So are insufficent recordings bundled now? Or is it by each game? If its by each game...then there is 3 different games that he did not do it... First it was 021 G2, then it was 040, G2 and G3. Thats 3 different offenses...and what does it say in the rule book? So there are "exceptions" given out now?


INCOMPLETE CHECKS:

”Latency check (at the start and end of game)

”Task manager (must show entirety it including the bottom where your process count is shown and moved to the top left of your desktop for optimal viewing - you must view both the "Processes", "Applications" tab and the bottom where the process count is)

”Remember to check the "Show processes from all users" box in the Processes tab during Task manager check
1st offense: 1 Infraction Point
2nd offense: 2 Infraction Points
3rd offense: 3 Infraction Points + AUTOLOSS
4th offense: 7 Infraction Points + AUTO BAN FROM LEAGUE




Edited by SpeciaLisT, Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:06 am.
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
What game have you been playing since 2000? When flag is not there, you cannot shoot rser PERIOD. Dude this is basic shit...? It's never been ok to shoot the rser when flag is not there... Why is it ok that you camp our flag to grab a flag that isn't even there?
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
What game have you been playing since 2000? When flag is not there, you cannot shoot rser PERIOD. Dude this is basic shit...? It's never been ok to shoot the rser when flag is not there... Why is it ok that you camp our flag to grab a flag that isn't even there?
I didn't even feel like responding to you because you are the person with no time on your hands to submit the claim. But since you asked,

When is it NOT okay to shoot someone when flag isn't there when either A) Flag is about to be returned or B) Opponent has our flag, and the only way to get to him is to kill the respawner.

What game have I been fucking playing since 2000? The same game that everyone else has. Where were you 2002-2006? Oh not around? Didn't think so.

I don't care that you "win your claim." All of you can't accept losing so you spend time trying to nitpick what the other team has done. Grow the fuck up. This is why I just game to game. It's not fun when everything is analyzed to the nth degree. I just don't care anymore.
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
What game have you been playing since 2000? When flag is not there, you cannot shoot rser PERIOD. Dude this is basic shit...? It's never been ok to shoot the rser when flag is not there... Why is it ok that you camp our flag to grab a flag that isn't even there?
I didn't even feel like responding to you because you are the person with no time on your hands to submit the claim. But since you asked,

When is it NOT okay to shoot someone when flag isn't there when either A) Flag is about to be returned or B) Opponent has our flag, and the only way to get to him is to kill the respawner.

What game have I been fucking playing since 2000? The same game that everyone else has. Where were you 2002-2006? Oh not around? Didn't think so.

I don't care that you "win your claim." All of you can't accept losing so you spend time trying to nitpick what the other team has done. Grow the fuck up. This is why I just game to game. It's not fun when everything is analyzed to the nth degree. I just don't care anymore.
He had 0 vision of me, all he knew is that I was right side... and I've been around since 01.
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
What game have you been playing since 2000? When flag is not there, you cannot shoot rser PERIOD. Dude this is basic shit...? It's never been ok to shoot the rser when flag is not there... Why is it ok that you camp our flag to grab a flag that isn't even there?
I didn't even feel like responding to you because you are the person with no time on your hands to submit the claim. But since you asked,

When is it NOT okay to shoot someone when flag isn't there when either A) Flag is about to be returned or B) Opponent has our flag, and the only way to get to him is to kill the respawner.

What game have I been fucking playing since 2000? The same game that everyone else has. Where were you 2002-2006? Oh not around? Didn't think so.

I don't care that you "win your claim." All of you can't accept losing so you spend time trying to nitpick what the other team has done. Grow the fuck up. This is why I just game to game. It's not fun when everything is analyzed to the nth degree. I just don't care anymore.
He had 0 vision of me, all he knew is that I was right side... and I've been around since 01.
Apparently not, since you don't remember this style of play. He had no vision of you? WHY does he need vision if you are RETURNING A FLAG? Use your head, for something besides a hat-rack. Where else would you go? Back to my base? Based on the timing of the play, you would naturally be in base. Since he went up left side and you weren't there, where else would you be? Surprise! The right side of your base! Since Rigo rsed left, what else would he have to do other than shoot in order to get you? You get a free shield and 15 points because he can't make a play on Rigo? Give me a fucking break.
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Specialist, the rulings were final. You did not receive the win.
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I seriously can't believe that was ruled a camp. I can't play a fucking game without some bullshit ruining it. This is why I hate playing in leagues.
What game have you been playing since 2000? When flag is not there, you cannot shoot rser PERIOD. Dude this is basic shit...? It's never been ok to shoot the rser when flag is not there... Why is it ok that you camp our flag to grab a flag that isn't even there?
I didn't even feel like responding to you because you are the person with no time on your hands to submit the claim. But since you asked,

When is it NOT okay to shoot someone when flag isn't there when either A) Flag is about to be returned or B) Opponent has our flag, and the only way to get to him is to kill the respawner.

What game have I been fucking playing since 2000? The same game that everyone else has. Where were you 2002-2006? Oh not around? Didn't think so.

I don't care that you "win your claim." All of you can't accept losing so you spend time trying to nitpick what the other team has done. Grow the fuck up. This is why I just game to game. It's not fun when everything is analyzed to the nth degree. I just don't care anymore.
He had 0 vision of me, all he knew is that I was right side... and I've been around since 01.
Apparently not, since you don't remember this style of play. He had no vision of you? WHY does he need vision if you are RETURNING A FLAG? Use your head, for something besides a hat-rack. Where else would you go? Back to my base? Based on the timing of the play, you would naturally be in base. Since he went up left side and you weren't there, where else would you be? Surprise! The right side of your base! Since Rigo rsed left, what else would he have to do other than shoot in order to get you? You get a free shield and 15 points because he can't make a play on Rigo? Give me a fucking break.
Sure, but you dont know how close I am to the base, I could've easily have went bottom left to come up behind smooth...Regardless, If he saw me coming at him and he lured and shot rigo, thats a different story and is not a camp...There was no vision of me because I wasn't even there yet, I was still making my way up. You forget that I went bottom right? I didn't know if you guys were coming at me or going for flag... So the "timing" wasn't as clear cut as you think, thats why the rule of not shooting rser without previous vision of the flagger is needed. It's always been like that and is actually known by MANY snipers...And did you not hear smooth? He was blaming you for taking so long to flag, hence you going around the turret. He actually timed that rs very well, it was you that made it a camp when you drifted.
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I didn't even feel like responding to you because you are the person with no time on your hands to submit the claim. But since you asked,

When is it NOT okay to shoot someone when flag isn't there when either A) Flag is about to be returned or B) Opponent has our flag, and the only way to get to him is to kill the respawner.

What game have I been fucking playing since 2000? The same game that everyone else has. Where were you 2002-2006? Oh not around? Didn't think so.

I don't care that you "win your claim." All of you can't accept losing so you spend time trying to nitpick what the other team has done. Grow the fuck up. This is why I just game to game. It's not fun when everything is analyzed to the nth degree. I just don't care anymore.
He had 0 vision of me, all he knew is that I was right side... and I've been around since 01.
Apparently not, since you don't remember this style of play. He had no vision of you? WHY does he need vision if you are RETURNING A FLAG? Use your head, for something besides a hat-rack. Where else would you go? Back to my base? Based on the timing of the play, you would naturally be in base. Since he went up left side and you weren't there, where else would you be? Surprise! The right side of your base! Since Rigo rsed left, what else would he have to do other than shoot in order to get you? You get a free shield and 15 points because he can't make a play on Rigo? Give me a fucking break.
Sure, but you dont know how close I am to the base, I could've easily have went bottom left to come up behind smooth...Regardless, If he saw me coming at him and he lured and shot rigo, thats a different story and is not a camp...There was no vision of me because I wasn't even there yet, I was still making my way up. You forget that I went bottom right? I didn't know if you guys were coming at me or going for flag... So the "timing" wasn't as clear cut as you think, thats why the rule of not shooting rser without previous vision of the flagger is needed. It's always been like that and is actually known by MANY snipers...And did you not hear smooth? He was blaming you for taking so long to flag, hence you going around the turret. He actually timed that rs very well, it was you that made it a camp when you drifted.
Watch my video and see that I went directly at the flag. IF you came up underneath him, you'd be in his trail vision. Specialist I'm not seeing your logic here. IT just doesn't make any sense. If he lured you and shot rigo, you'd still return the flag and receive 15 points. What part of that makes sense of what you just said? I expected a point to be made before responding to this.

Known by many snipers? Ask around. People have been shooting respawns just before flags get returned for years. I don't know what Alice in Wonderland world you've been sniping in.

What bothers me most is that this had no IMPACT on the outcome of the game. So not only did you not receive a win, you've just wasted time in dodging a loss. You got beat this game fairly, we won by a sizable margin if I remember. It's silly that claims can ruin the outcome of a game, when the things being claimed have no impact on the final score. But the "rules are the rules, and we agreed to them." I'm not upset, I'm just stating that this is why I don't enjoy participating in these leagues. It takes the fun out of the game.
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He had 0 vision of me, all he knew is that I was right side... and I've been around since 01.
Apparently not, since you don't remember this style of play. He had no vision of you? WHY does he need vision if you are RETURNING A FLAG? Use your head, for something besides a hat-rack. Where else would you go? Back to my base? Based on the timing of the play, you would naturally be in base. Since he went up left side and you weren't there, where else would you be? Surprise! The right side of your base! Since Rigo rsed left, what else would he have to do other than shoot in order to get you? You get a free shield and 15 points because he can't make a play on Rigo? Give me a fucking break.
Sure, but you dont know how close I am to the base, I could've easily have went bottom left to come up behind smooth...Regardless, If he saw me coming at him and he lured and shot rigo, thats a different story and is not a camp...There was no vision of me because I wasn't even there yet, I was still making my way up. You forget that I went bottom right? I didn't know if you guys were coming at me or going for flag... So the "timing" wasn't as clear cut as you think, thats why the rule of not shooting rser without previous vision of the flagger is needed. It's always been like that and is actually known by MANY snipers...And did you not hear smooth? He was blaming you for taking so long to flag, hence you going around the turret. He actually timed that rs very well, it was you that made it a camp when you drifted.
Watch my video and see that I went directly at the flag. IF you came up underneath him, you'd be in his trail vision. Specialist I'm not seeing your logic here. IT just doesn't make any sense. If he lured you and shot rigo, you'd still return the flag and receive 15 points. What part of that makes sense of what you just said? I expected a point to be made before responding to this.

Known by many snipers? Ask around. People have been shooting respawns just before flags get returned for years. I don't know what Alice in Wonderland world you've been sniping in.

What bothers me most is that this had no IMPACT on the outcome of the game. So not only did you not receive a win, you've just wasted time in dodging a loss. You got beat this game fairly, we won by a sizable margin if I remember. It's silly that claims can ruin the outcome of a game, when the things being claimed have no impact on the final score. But the "rules are the rules, and we agreed to them." I'm not upset, I'm just stating that this is why I don't enjoy participating in these leagues. It takes the fun out of the game.
wtf are u saying....u got the win.

Ask any sniper now and they will tell you the same. You are wrong.
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