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| Tweet Topic Started: Tue Feb 4, 2014 12:46 am (5,165 Views) | |
| TeaLaGe | Tue Feb 4, 2014 12:46 am Post #1 |
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:46 pm Post #21 |
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Gotta say I agree with specialist on Camp 1... that is NOT a camp imo. He was going to rs those guys anyway, so why can't he give himself an advantage? That is the point of the game. Otherwise, why flag at all? If you have to run straight in, what is the point of killing someone else and grabbing flag if you have to "ql" 1 of 3 rses. The rser died, they should be at a disadvantage. The flagger has every right to do what white did in camp 1, if you don't want to be at a disadvantage, don't die. We are really limiting the gameplay if you say that is a camp. |
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:49 pm Post #22 |
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Druzil, if you think that is "unnecessary" then what is "necessary" give the person rsing 1 full second of "cloak" then and the flagger has to "run" in order to flag. That is basically what you guys are saying. Why would the flagger have to keep the same motion the whole time, to give the rser advantage of an "easier" box??? The rs was going to be inevitable in camp 1... there is no way around him rsing that and flagging without killing rs. That is NOT a camp. If it was avoidable, then yes, it would be camp, but he was going to face the rs regardless of running straight in or not. So, again, that imo is not a camp. |
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| Rigo | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:50 pm Post #23 |
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there both camps lol when has it ever been ok to dance side to side to rs? NVR lol wth u guys smokin. he pulled in range so he can be facing the rs so he didn't have to turn. thats how its an advantage |
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| SpeciaLisT | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:53 pm Post #24 |
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Him going < last sec could be a way to angle that rs? or him going < makes the person > out of range so he drifts straight down as we all know? the point is you can't decide what methoid he is using, whether its him utilizing drifts or trying to re-angle, or simpy trying to make them mc or just trying to get them to break their box, this is all things I think about when I do my own movements.. |
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| 777averick | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:54 pm Post #25 |
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The issue with the camp 1 video is the 2nd shot. |
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| SpeciaLisT | Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:56 pm Post #26 |
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still hard...because after doing those manevers for the 1st person spawning, lets say he went straight up, he would've still spawned as he grabbed flag and wouldve been in complete range? So why is it bad to do what he did for the 2nd shot? is it because he went sorta backwards? and forward again in an awkward way that would make many people mc? Actually I re-watched 2nd camp too and I don't agree w/ that either... Ima just say you guys can't handle it. Cuz from what I see, whats the difference between zig zagging going towards flag and going a lateral and backward dance? It's still all the same thing, and for the examples that you guys are talkin about having the 2nd kill a camp because he lingered a bit too much...will barely happen and if it does come then give the person a DQ. These plays that ur afraid of happening will barely happen, camp 1 and 2 int hese vids are not camps and I'm actually done arguing this. Ima just leave it as y ou guys can't handle it...If ur going to get killed anyways, I should be free to do it with whatever method I choose....if u cant kill it go do reflex champions...If this rule isnt change I'll just take my name out, can keep the money I could care less, glad to help anyways. From what i Understand you guys are saying that because he lingered he was forced to respawn the 2nd kill, which would really depend on how far he is from spawn, when both teammates who died the interval between each death... Edited by SpeciaLisT, Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:04 pm.
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| Aztec | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:01 pm Post #27 |
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It just shows whatever time iCCup uses. So yeah I'm not sure how the time stamp would be used. |
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| 777averick | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:02 pm Post #28 |
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Spec... your arguments are completely inconsistent. You realize that the 2nd shot in Camp 1 is the exact same thing as the shot he took in Camp 2? You agreed that Camp 2 is bullshit... |
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| SpeciaLisT | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:04 pm Post #29 |
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Yeah I re-watched it, Its not a camp. t hought he lingered way more.. Edited by SpeciaLisT, Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:04 pm.
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| SpeciaLisT | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:06 pm Post #30 |
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W/e I'll just remove myself, its no big deal, but ur rule sucks since it doesn't make fucking sense and it restricts going about kiling rs. |
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| SpeciaLisT | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:09 pm Post #31 |
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so what that he has advantage over u? thats the whole point of you rsing and him flagging, don't die...and also If he doesnt do that, then you can easily have advantage over him, 3 rspawn areas and the chance to face him automatically....thats absolute bullshit. |
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| 777averick | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:09 pm Post #32 |
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I am using EDT time stamp |
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:12 pm Post #33 |
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Rigo, anytime we play then, you can't trailvis me, lure me, pull me, hs me, blind me, etc. because that gives you an advantage over me.. THAT ISN'T FAIR! |
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| Rigo | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:24 pm Post #34 |
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ok let me start camping u too. don't complain when i dance back n forth
Edited by Rigo, Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:24 pm.
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:28 pm Post #35 |
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Sorry for double post, but I can't edit my posts for some reason. The point I'm trying to make is, your objective is to gain an advantage over your opponent in order to win the game. Otherwise, why doesn't everyone just walk straight to flag and back, while qling everything... You make the movements you do to gain an advantage. Rsing is no different. Again, no one has offered a response to my reasoning. Why is this a camp? He was going to rs regardless of dance or no dance. Camping is an "unnecessary or avoidable kill" which in this case, it was not avoidable and it was not unnecessary. He danced the rs to throw off the box or lure the rs, doesn't matter which, in either case, killing rs was unavoidable and therefore this, imo, is not a camp. |
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:29 pm Post #36 |
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I wont complain, dance all you want. However, like in the videos posted, it has to be an "unavoidable" rs. There was no way for him to get in, grab flag, and get out without killing you. You call camp because he "danced" your box. That ain't right. |
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| Korean | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:33 pm Post #37 |
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Other than the constant dance towards the flag which people sometimes do, the only person who actually rses like this is TtS. I don't get what you guys are arguing about. Most of you guys don't even RS this way so why try to defend it haha. |
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| Trav | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:39 pm Post #38 |
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Very true, I don't use this method of rsing anyway, but still... just because it is a different technique doesn't mean it is any less valid. He has to rs regardless of whether he runs straight in or if he moves laterally two clicks... That is the point. Same thing we see in math. You could do 27 x 3 in numerous ways... using the old algorithm, lattice multiplication, or adding 3 groups of 27. Regardless, it is the same outcome... |
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| LockeD | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:46 pm Post #39 |
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Cry to me Newbs
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None of the 2 shot are camp. You guys are pussies. |
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| Korean | Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:46 pm Post #40 |
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You could also divide it by the momentum of the derivative + 2x over infinity divided by the hyperbola but noone uses it because it's fucking annoying and unnecessary. |
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