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| KingJason001 | May 6 2015, 03:02 AM Post #1 |
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I have been going to seminary for a while, and Heyward is very knowledgeable as well. We want to answer any and all of your questions concerning the tenets and beliefs of Christianity: Who Christ is, why suffering exists, who God is, what is the nature of God, why Jesus had to die, is the Bible accurate, what does the Bible say, etc. We want you to be comfortable with talking about Christianity, we will not try to argue our assert our beliefs upon you, we will just state them. Anything you want to ask, we will answer without judgement. If we don't hold up to our promises here, I am sorry. |
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| Heyward | Jul 18 2015, 06:36 PM Post #171 |
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Neither Jason nor I are Catholic. We do not recognize the pope as an authority. |
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| Finny | Jul 18 2015, 07:46 PM Post #172 |
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My bad, got confused |
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| BIG FENIX | Jul 18 2015, 08:06 PM Post #173 |
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I CAN'T SEE I'M FUCKIN DEAF
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1. How does one become Pope and why are they so old? I'm guessing it's a lifetime journey 2. Are blacks banned from being Pope? |
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| Finny | Jul 18 2015, 08:15 PM Post #174 |
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Oh I know this one! When the previus pope dies, priests vote and choose another priest to become the pope and the person chosen to be the pope will remain until he dies |
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| KingJason001 | Jul 19 2015, 01:19 AM Post #175 |
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I still hold to every stance about gay marriage as I had before the court decision.
No, you see this is a major misconception about Bible translation. Many people think that the various translations base their translation off the previous—such as this diagram Originals --> … --> KJV --> NKJV --> ESV --> etc. This is not the case, all translations reach back to the original (or as close to original as possible) and translate from there. So the diagram looks more like this: Originals (or as close as possible) –(though various methods and ideas of how to translate)-> KJV –(updating olden English to modern English)->NKJV Originals (or as close as possible) –(though various methods and ideas of how to translate)-> ESV (with influence from traditional translation to help the rocky bits.) See there's two types of thoughts when it comes to Biblical translation, thought-for-thought, and word-for-word. Thought for thought translation basically says "take the meaning of the original passage and put it into words that are easy to understand." Word for word translation says "translate each word into the closest English parallel and then, using the translated words, make sure it makes sense grammatically." An example of this can be seen we compare The Message translation to the ESV translation of John 1:1-5 The Message: Spoiler: click to toggle The English Standard Version: Spoiler: click to toggle I stand on the side of word-for-word translation, it that it best keeps the original author's intent for what he wrote, with thought-for-thought there are many possibilities for bias to come into play—in that the translator gets to decide what the author meant by what he said and translate it thus. In word-for-word, the translator is not focusing on meaning, but rather only on words and grammar.
An awesome example of the consistency that the Bible has been translated is to look at the dead sea scrolls. Basically, before we found the Dead sea scrolls, the earliest manuscript we had of the book of Isaiah came from the medieval period. That means there was a timespan of almost 2000 years between the original that Isaiah wrote and the medieval manuscript we had to go by to translate Isaiah. We couldn't have known if it was translated accurately from Isaiah's first original copy and the copy that the medieval priests possessed. Well, when we finally found the Dead sea scrolls, which are dated around 100 B.C.—that's over a thousand years before the medieval copy of Isaiah, we found a copy of Isaiah dated around 125 B.C. When we compared the Medieval copy (circa. 1400 A.D.) and the Dead sea scroll copy (circa. 125 B.C.) we saw only 6 errors. All of these errors mind you, were only misspellings. More info: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah
No. Islam claims that their god is the same god as the God of Abraham—or YHWH, AKA the God of the Torah (which is the first five books of the Bible). Although, when compared, the Quran totally goes against most of the stuff that YHWH says and teaches to Abraham, and his descendants. Islam has this thing where later revelations from God can supersede, or negate earlier revelations. So basically, the Quran justifies it's variations from the God of the Bible by saying that "Allah" changed his mind. So for example, if YHWH told Moses that murder was a sin, and should never be committed, and the Quran says it is okay to kill the infidels, a Muslim will say that "Allah changed his mind." Completely going against how the Torah speaks of God's unchangingness, he is and always will be the same, he never changes his stance on anything, because he is always perfect, thus he always side with perfect. Another interesting thing, off topic, is that Muslims believe the Quran only has authority in the Muslim language, if it is translated it does not have authority. It is interesting, because when you go up to a Muslim and say, hey I just read that the Quran says to kill the Infidels, they will deny that it says that because you didn't read it in Muslim, even though it is perfectly translated. Just interesting fact to know.
No, you would not. In John 14:2 he is speaking to his disciples (who believe that Jesus is the only way to obtain salvation). So he is talking to Christians, and in no way implies a universalistic outlook on salvation.
I'm not sure, maybe?
Prophecy is less about predicting the future than it is about relaying the word of God to the people. We see this over and over again in the OT prophets, they are kind of like the first pastors. So, in the NT era, which is what we live today, the need for a prophet isn't required. The job of being a prophet, or literally "God's messenger" falls on all believers. This is where the Great Commission comes into play: Matthew 28: 18-20 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Jesus bestows us with the task of telling all the nations on earth about the Gospel, or the story of Jesus and his death, and the salvation we can receive due to his death. This, in a way, makes all Christians prophets.
Nowhere in the Bible does it speak of any sort of papacy. Jesus was our intermediary, thus there is no need for a pope to talk to God for us. I guess you could kind of say that Jesus is our pope, but I wouldn't say that… |
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| RudeStyle | Jul 19 2015, 02:23 AM Post #176 |
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So even if you were a caring, charitable, selfless person but was of a different religion you would not go to heaven? |
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| KingJason001 | Jul 19 2015, 03:11 AM Post #177 |
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God Isaiah 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. Even a speck of sin is enough to be condemn-able. God created us to be perfect in his image. If we aren't perfect, we can't get to heaven. Since no one is perfect, no one can get to heaven. Unless, someone could account their perfectness as ours, hence why Jesus died, so that by faith we can claim his perfect life as our own. It's called the substitutionary principle, Jesus took on our imperfectness and took the whole weight of God's wrath that we deserved so that he could attribute his perfectness to us. Here's a good song that explains this far better than I could (if you truly want to understand what I'm saying, watch the video and make sure you catch the words): |
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| Comrade Mario | Jul 20 2015, 05:40 AM Post #178 |
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You've basically ignored the design flaw post I made in the abortion thread. Which I've said you were going to do.
Doesn't mean shit since it's basically god in human form. He sacrificed himself to negate his own wrath. Your understanding of Islam is wrong and laughable. First and foremost it isn't the "Muslim language" as there are non-Muslims who speak Arabic . Muslims do not speak Muslim but Arabic. Allah aka God didn't change his mind. It's the view of Muslims that the Torah and Bible were previously legitimate books which is the part you got correct. However, God doesn't change his mind on various matters. The Torah and Bible are viewed as books corrupted by man and that the Quran is the perfect book containing the true content of God's word. Everything you say about God being perfect the Muslims say as well. And the part you have partially got correct is that many muslims will reject your view if you read the English translation. The reasoning being is that Arabic contains the true content of God's word. Any translation can possibly misinterpret God's word. Regardless, there are many Muslims who will be okay with you using the English translation to debate the Quran. Please inform of yourself Islam more before bashing it. |
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| Heyward | Jul 20 2015, 03:02 PM Post #179 |
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Muslims believe that God's word was corrupted and changed over the years so that an angel had to be sent to deliver the true word. Interestingly enough the bible actually warns that this type of thing would happen. |
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| KingJason001 | Jul 20 2015, 09:29 PM Post #180 |
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Alright, let's address this. I didn't want to address this in the abortion thread, because that wasn't the place to address it. Can you repost all the flaws in the human body? And as you do, can you think to yourself, are they really flaws, or just weird design choices. Do they get the job done, or do they completely fail at what they're meant to do? And I said he created TO BE, I never said we are created perfectly--sin has distorted this and made us imperfect, completely flawed images of what God intended us to be. |
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