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I have been going to seminary for a while, and Heyward is very knowledgeable as well. We want to answer any and all of your questions concerning the tenets and beliefs of Christianity: Who Christ is, why suffering exists, who God is, what is the nature of God, why Jesus had to die, is the Bible accurate, what does the Bible say, etc.

We want you to be comfortable with talking about Christianity, we will not try to argue our assert our beliefs upon you, we will just state them. Anything you want to ask, we will answer without judgement. If we don't hold up to our promises here, I am sorry.
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Jul 20 2015, 05:40 AM
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Jesus took on our imperfectness and took the whole weight of God's wrath that we deserved so that he could attribute his perfectness to us.


Doesn't mean shit since it's basically god in human form. He sacrificed himself to negate his own wrath.

Your understanding of Islam is wrong and laughable. First and foremost it isn't the "Muslim language" as there are non-Muslims who speak Arabic . Muslims do not speak Muslim but Arabic.

Allah aka God didn't change his mind. It's the view of Muslims that the Torah and Bible were previously legitimate books which is the part you got correct. However, God doesn't change his mind on various matters. The Torah and Bible are viewed as books corrupted by man and that the Quran is the perfect book containing the true content of God's word. Everything you say about God being perfect the Muslims say as well.

And the part you have partially got correct is that many muslims will reject your view if you read the English translation. The reasoning being is that Arabic contains the true content of God's word. Any translation can possibly misinterpret God's word. Regardless, there are many Muslims who will be okay with you using the English translation to debate the Quran.

Please inform of yourself Islam more before bashing it.

As for this, I agree with everything you said and still hold my original point. It was my bad for missusing the word Muslim as an adjective for the language Muslim people inherently speak.
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And I said he created TO BE, I never said we are created perfectly--sin has distorted this and made us imperfect, completely flawed images of what God intended us to be.


He created sin though did he not? He ruined his perfect image by implementing sin. He intended for his image to be imperfect if he created sin.

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And as you do, can you think to yourself, are they really flaws, or just weird design choices. Do they get the job done, or do they completely fail at what they're meant to do?


Some of them don't get the job done efficiently and many of them are potentially fatal.



Here are a variety of design flaws.

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Our spines are a mess. It’s a wonder we can even walk, says Bruce Latimer, director of the Center for Human Origins at Case Western Reserve University, in Cleveland. When our ancestors walked on all fours, their spines arched, like a bow, to withstand the weight of the organs suspended below. But then we stood up. That threw the system out of whack by 90 degrees, and the spine was forced to become a column. Next, to allow for bipedalism, it curved forward at the lower back. And to keep the head in balance—so that we didn’t all walk around as if doing the limbo—the upper spine curved in the opposite direction. This change put tremendous pressure on the lower vertebrae, sticking about 80 percent of adults, according to one estimate, with lower back pain.


Don't forget having any spinal injuries whatsoever can render you disabled. Yet if you have a leg injury or a head injury there's a potential for recovery. Not for spinal injuries.

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A man’s life-giving organs hang vulnerably outside the body.


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Humans typically have three molars on each side of the upper and lower jaws near the back of the mouth. When our brain drastically expanded in size, the jaw grew wider and shorter, leaving no room for the third, farthest back molars. These cusped grinders may have been useful before we learned to cook and process food. But now the “wisdom teeth” mostly just get painfully impacted in the gums.


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Blood flows into each of your arms and legs via one main artery, which enters the limb on the front side of the body, by the biceps or hip flexors. To supply blood to tissues at a limb’s back side, such as the triceps and hamstrings, the artery branches out, taking circuitous routes around bones and bundling itself with nerves. This roundabout plumbing can make for some rather annoying glitches. At the elbow, for instance, an artery branch meets up with the ulnar nerve, which animates your little finger, just under the skin. That’s why your arm goes numb when the lower tip of your upper arm bone, called the humerus or “funny bone,” takes a sharp blow.


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he photoreceptor cells in the retina of the eye are like microphones facing backward, writes Nathan Lents, an associate professor of molecular biology at the City University of New York. This design forces light to travel the length of each cell, as well as through blood and tissue, to reach the equivalent of a receiver on the cell’s backside. The setup may encourage the retina to detach from its supporting tissue—a leading cause of blindness. It also creates a blind spot where cell fibers, akin to microphone cables, converge at the optic nerve—making the brain refill the hole.


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The recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN) plays a vital role in our ability to speak and swallow. It feeds instructions from the brain to the muscles of the voice box, or larynx, below the vocal cords. Theoretically, the trip should be a quick one. But during fetal development, the RLN gets entwined in a tiny lump of tissue in the neck, which descends to become blood vessels near the heart. That drop causes the nerve to loop around the aorta before traveling back up the larynx. Having this nerve in your chest makes it vulnerable during surgery—or a fist fight.


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The trachea (windpipe) and esophagus (food pipe) open into the same space, the pharynx, which extends from the nose and mouth to the larynx (voice box). To keep food out of the trachea, a leaf-shaped flap called the epiglottis reflexively covers the opening to the larynx whenever you swallow. But sometimes, the epiglottis isn’t fast enough. If you’re talking and laughing while eating, food may slip down and get lodged in your airway, causing you to choke.


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The human brain evolved in stages. As new additions were being built, older parts had to remain online to keep us up and running, explains psychologist Gary Marcus in his book Kluge: The Haphazard Evolution of the Mind.2 And that live-in construction project led to slapdash workarounds. It’s as if the brain were a dysfunctional workplace, where young employees (the forebrain) handled newfangled technologies like language while the old guard (the midbrain and hindbrain) oversaw the institutional memory—and the fuse box in the basement. A few outcomes: depression, madness, unreliable memories, and confirmation bias.


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Mental illness


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Like most mammals, we sweat to maintain our temperature, but most animals don't have as many sweat glands as we do. We are the least efficient thermoregulators in the mammal world: only apes and [oddly] horses have as many sweat glands, mostly in the armpits, as we do. Have you every smelled someone with really sweaty armpits? We lose so much water from simple things like exercising, or even being nervous, that other animals would not. Terrible design… but it makes sense evolutionarily, for we sweat like apes, our evolutionary cousins.


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Humans possessing ALL the genes and mechanisms for producing Vitamin C, but having all those genes turned off.


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Because humans are bipedal, the birth canal is tilted. The baby does not drop down a true cylinder; instead, the baby must travel the rather sharp curve of the pelvis, even if the mother gives birth in a sitting position. As a result, human births are much more troublesome than those of other large mammals.


Please let me know if you want to know more about the variety of design flaws that exist.





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Jul 21 2015, 06:17 AM
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And I said he created TO BE, I never said we are created perfectly--sin has distorted this and made us imperfect, completely flawed images of what God intended us to be.


He created sin though did he not? He ruined his perfect image by implementing sin. He intended for his image to be imperfect if he created sin.

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And as you do, can you think to yourself, are they really flaws, or just weird design choices. Do they get the job done, or do they completely fail at what they're meant to do?


Some of them don't get the job done efficiently and many of them are potentially fatal.



Here are a variety of design flaws.

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Our spines are a mess. It’s a wonder we can even walk, says Bruce Latimer, director of the Center for Human Origins at Case Western Reserve University, in Cleveland. When our ancestors walked on all fours, their spines arched, like a bow, to withstand the weight of the organs suspended below. But then we stood up. That threw the system out of whack by 90 degrees, and the spine was forced to become a column. Next, to allow for bipedalism, it curved forward at the lower back. And to keep the head in balance—so that we didn’t all walk around as if doing the limbo—the upper spine curved in the opposite direction. This change put tremendous pressure on the lower vertebrae, sticking about 80 percent of adults, according to one estimate, with lower back pain.


Don't forget having any spinal injuries whatsoever can render you disabled. Yet if you have a leg injury or a head injury there's a potential for recovery. Not for spinal injuries.

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A man’s life-giving organs hang vulnerably outside the body.


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Humans typically have three molars on each side of the upper and lower jaws near the back of the mouth. When our brain drastically expanded in size, the jaw grew wider and shorter, leaving no room for the third, farthest back molars. These cusped grinders may have been useful before we learned to cook and process food. But now the “wisdom teeth” mostly just get painfully impacted in the gums.


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Blood flows into each of your arms and legs via one main artery, which enters the limb on the front side of the body, by the biceps or hip flexors. To supply blood to tissues at a limb’s back side, such as the triceps and hamstrings, the artery branches out, taking circuitous routes around bones and bundling itself with nerves. This roundabout plumbing can make for some rather annoying glitches. At the elbow, for instance, an artery branch meets up with the ulnar nerve, which animates your little finger, just under the skin. That’s why your arm goes numb when the lower tip of your upper arm bone, called the humerus or “funny bone,” takes a sharp blow.


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he photoreceptor cells in the retina of the eye are like microphones facing backward, writes Nathan Lents, an associate professor of molecular biology at the City University of New York. This design forces light to travel the length of each cell, as well as through blood and tissue, to reach the equivalent of a receiver on the cell’s backside. The setup may encourage the retina to detach from its supporting tissue—a leading cause of blindness. It also creates a blind spot where cell fibers, akin to microphone cables, converge at the optic nerve—making the brain refill the hole.


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The recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN) plays a vital role in our ability to speak and swallow. It feeds instructions from the brain to the muscles of the voice box, or larynx, below the vocal cords. Theoretically, the trip should be a quick one. But during fetal development, the RLN gets entwined in a tiny lump of tissue in the neck, which descends to become blood vessels near the heart. That drop causes the nerve to loop around the aorta before traveling back up the larynx. Having this nerve in your chest makes it vulnerable during surgery—or a fist fight.


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The trachea (windpipe) and esophagus (food pipe) open into the same space, the pharynx, which extends from the nose and mouth to the larynx (voice box). To keep food out of the trachea, a leaf-shaped flap called the epiglottis reflexively covers the opening to the larynx whenever you swallow. But sometimes, the epiglottis isn’t fast enough. If you’re talking and laughing while eating, food may slip down and get lodged in your airway, causing you to choke.


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The human brain evolved in stages. As new additions were being built, older parts had to remain online to keep us up and running, explains psychologist Gary Marcus in his book Kluge: The Haphazard Evolution of the Mind.2 And that live-in construction project led to slapdash workarounds. It’s as if the brain were a dysfunctional workplace, where young employees (the forebrain) handled newfangled technologies like language while the old guard (the midbrain and hindbrain) oversaw the institutional memory—and the fuse box in the basement. A few outcomes: depression, madness, unreliable memories, and confirmation bias.


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Mental illness


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Like most mammals, we sweat to maintain our temperature, but most animals don't have as many sweat glands as we do. We are the least efficient thermoregulators in the mammal world: only apes and [oddly] horses have as many sweat glands, mostly in the armpits, as we do. Have you every smelled someone with really sweaty armpits? We lose so much water from simple things like exercising, or even being nervous, that other animals would not. Terrible design… but it makes sense evolutionarily, for we sweat like apes, our evolutionary cousins.


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Humans possessing ALL the genes and mechanisms for producing Vitamin C, but having all those genes turned off.


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Because humans are bipedal, the birth canal is tilted. The baby does not drop down a true cylinder; instead, the baby must travel the rather sharp curve of the pelvis, even if the mother gives birth in a sitting position. As a result, human births are much more troublesome than those of other large mammals.


Please let me know if you want to know more about the variety of design flaws that exist.





None of those discredit intelligent design, they just are occurrences that aren't understood by humans.

As for sin--God did create sin in order for his story of redemption to come about. In order for Jesus to be exalted among everything created. That's why you live, to exalt Jesus--that's your purpose, as well as mine. We are way to self-centered to understand that the greatest thing for us to do, and the most fulfilling, and the most joyful, would be to forget about ourselves and focus and exalt Jesus Christ. We think God is an egomaniac, wanting praise and attention, but really he created us so that our happiness and joy will be complete when we praise and devout our attention to him.

http://adam4d.com/egomaniac/
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None of those discredit intelligent design, they just are occurrences that aren't understood by humans.

What a convenient excuse...
This is information that we currently understand now and it applies right now. We understand these phenomenon quite well. It discredits intelligent design because there are a variety of ways to make humans even more efficient and even more perfect than it currently already is. Some of these design flaws are fatal. For instance, spinal injuries will render you disabled.
Why would God put such a feature?
Why would he make it so difficult for a child to come out of a vagina, when it's easier for other animals?
Why has he made our eye so crap compared to other animals?
What about the presence of mental illness?

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That's why you live, to exalt Jesus--that's your purpose, as well as mine.

No, it's not my purpose. I choose my purpose and you choose yours. Jesus is essentially another form of God; he negated his own wrath which is nonsense.

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We are way too self-centered

God created you this way.

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We think God is an egomaniac, wanting praise and attention, but really he created us so that our happiness and joy will be complete when we praise and devout our attention to him.

You say he's not a egomaniac, yet the sole purpose of creating us, according to you, is to serve God, which is egomaniacal. He created us just for the sake of him getting praise and attention and if you don't then tough luck for you. Who cares if you're a good person when you still go to hell if you don't believe in him.
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Jul 21 2015, 10:30 PM
That's why you live, to exalt Jesus--that's your purpose, as well as mine. We are way to self-centered to understand that the greatest thing for us to do, and the most fulfilling, and the most joyful, would be to forget about ourselves and focus and exalt Jesus Christ.
I really don't think praising a fictional being is fulfilling or joyful

I guess that's just me though
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Why would God put such a feature?
Why would he make it so difficult for a child to come out of a vagina, when it's easier for other animals?
Why has he made our eye so crap compared to other animals?
What about the presence of mental illness?


I have no clue why God would chose to have a spinal injury be fatal, that doesn't make my claim that He did any less valid.

As for the vagina question: Genesis 3:16a
"To the woman he said, 'I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children.'"
Hmmm... Seems like a good explanation. Because Eve was tempted and chose to be her own God, the curse for women is painful childbirth. Because Adam wasn't there to protect his wife from temptation, the curse for men is painful and grueling work (whereas before working was pleasurable).

You really think our eyes are crap? Lol, you can see can't you? Maybe we can't see in the dark, but do we really need to? We've done good thus far.

As for mental illness, I attribute that to original sin, or when sin entered the world. This is different from individual sin in that the person does not commit it. Original sin can be described as suffering--so things like cancer and mental illness can be explained by the presence of suffering, or sin, in the world.
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You say he's not a egomaniac, yet the sole purpose of creating us, according to you, is to serve God, which is egomaniacal. He created us just for the sake of him getting praise and attention and if you don't then tough luck for you. Who cares if you're a good person when you still go to hell if you don't believe in him.


http://adam4d.com/egomaniac/ is all I have to say about this topic
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Jul 21 2015, 11:06 PM
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Jul 21 2015, 10:30 PM
That's why you live, to exalt Jesus--that's your purpose, as well as mine. We are way to self-centered to understand that the greatest thing for us to do, and the most fulfilling, and the most joyful, would be to forget about ourselves and focus and exalt Jesus Christ.
I really don't think praising a fictional being is fulfilling or joyful

I guess that's just me though
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're right, it's just you.
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Him and millions of others who don't believe that bullshit. mitt2
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Him and millions of others who don't believe that bullshit. mitt2
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