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Okay so, I'm transgender. What does the bible say about that? I also don't believe a "God" can be entirely benevolent, and if it was, why haven't we received any sort of confirmation of it's existence, as it would end wars over religion? If all humans are created as supposed equals, why is the bible so sexist? What about Lilith? I find Tarot Cards interesting. If God cannot reproduce, why is it referred as a male entity? If Heaven exists, where is it? Similarly, hell? If God created everything, explain the fact there are animals with absolutely zero purpose in the food chain. If the concept of the Christian God is an entirely benevolent entity, why are certain lives doomed to suffering? Again, I don't see how it's totally benevolent to burn anyone for eternity because they don't agree with you, omnipotent or not. Attaching a morality to a God(dess) would be pointless, a God to me is more akin to a force, something that is eternally constant. If God created everything, why did it have a book written about a sequence of somewhat irrelevant events and not important things we should know about the universe it created? Why are a large percentage of the "Evil" entities portrayed in the bible merely shown as having an opinion that goes against God's? Is that not the very definition of a dictatorship? If Incest is seen as a sin, how did Adam + (Lilith) + Eve create humanity without involving incest? We very clearly do not come from the same single ancestor, so either incest was involved, in which case, are we willing to overlook the fact humanity's mere existence is a "sin", creating a huge paradox in everything. To my understanding, before Lucifer was booted out of heaven, he challenged God for control. If God is omnipotent, why would Lucifer challenge him knowing this? I'd also like to see your responses to this
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May 8 2015, 01:59 PM
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Are orgies a sin
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Explain? Do I really have to explain this? Sex is between a husband and his wife.
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Okay so, I'm transgender. What does the bible say about that?
The Bible says that's sin. I'm sorry, and if my friend was going through this I would be with him/her the whole way. I could never support what he/she was doing, but that doesn't make them any less of my friend.
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I also don't believe a "God" can be entirely benevolent, and if it was, why haven't we received any sort of confirmation of it's existence, as it would end wars over religion?
...God literally came down to earth and died. We have first hand accounts of over 50 people within the 100 years Christ lived on this earth. You want more proof?
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If all humans are created as supposed equals, why is the bible so sexist?
Can you show me where? Because there is something really interesting to note about OT law, when their father died, and a daughter was the only child he had--she got the father's land. Do you understand that this wouldn't happen outside of Jerusalem for another 3000 years.
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What about Lilith?
The bible says nothing about Adam having a wife before Eve. So Lilith didn't exist.
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I find Tarot Cards interesting.
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If God cannot reproduce, why is it referred as a male entity?
He is only portrayed in a masculine way so that the metaphor as we being his children, and he our father can work. He also created men and women to foreshadow his relationship with Israel (or the church), he being our bridegroom, and we being his bride.
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If Heaven exists, where is it?
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If God created everything, explain the fact there are animals with absolutely zero purpose in the food chain.
I don't know, why is that something that discredits God?
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If the concept of the Christian God is an entirely benevolent entity, why are certain lives doomed to suffering?Again, I don't see how it's totally benevolent to burn anyone for eternity because they don't agree with you, omnipotent or not. Attaching a morality to a God(dess) would be pointless, a God to me is more akin to a force, something that is eternally constant.
This is how God describes himself: "The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." The better question is to ask why, if God is so just, why does he forgive iniquity? Because of his Son. That being said, I'll answer your question. Look how God describes himself. He is a complete dichotomy. He punishes iniquity, but he forgives iniquity. He punishes the wicked, yet he forgives the wicked. He is two-sided. He is loving, and forgiving, while at the same time punishing those who deserve it. He doesn't make sense, and why should he have to make sense to us? He's God, he doesn't have to follow your logic. God has a way of being completely forgiving, and completely just at the same time.
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If God created everything, why did it have a book written about a sequence of somewhat irrelevant events and not important things we should know about the universe it created?
Lol the whole history of the world is God's plan. The whole Bible follows the story of Israel, God's chosen people, up until the savior of the whole world was born, killed, and raised again. You want to tell me that's insignificant?
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Why are a large percentage of the "Evil" entities portrayed in the bible merely shown as having an opinion that goes against God's? Is that not the very definition of a dictatorship?
Because God is completely perfect, anything that goes against his order is innately evil. Call it what you want, but if you have a completely perfect being, who created you and made you to dwell and grow when only in his presence, and he is telling you what to do, why would you go against him? He created you and knows what is best for you, because after all he made you, and put the desire in you for Himself.
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If Incest is seen as a sin, how did Adam + (Lilith--no) + Eve create humanity without involving incest? We very clearly do not come from the same single ancestor, so either incest was involved, in which case, are we willing to overlook the fact humanity's mere existence is a "sin", creating a huge paradox in everything.
There was incest, the only way I can describe it is that at this point in time, God did not consider it sin--because in order to populate the earth, it had to be done. If you want to call it a paradox, fine. But I see no problem in it.
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To my understanding, before Lucifer was booted out of heaven, he challenged God for control. If God is omnipotent, why would Lucifer challenge him knowing this?
Why are you challenging God for control? Probably the same reason Satan did.
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May 8 2015, 02:39 PM
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Are orgies a sin
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Explain?
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Okay so, I'm transgender. What does the bible say about that?
The Bible says that's sin. I'm sorry, and if my friend was going through this I would be with him/her the whole way. I could never support what he/she was doing, but that doesn't make them any less of my friend. - Quote:
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I also don't believe a "God" can be entirely benevolent, and if it was, why haven't we received any sort of confirmation of it's existence, as it would end wars over religion?
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If all humans are created as supposed equals, why is the bible so sexist?
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What about Lilith?
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If God cannot reproduce, why is it referred as a male entity?
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If Heaven exists, where is it?
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If God created everything, explain the fact there are animals with absolutely zero purpose in the food chain.
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If the concept of the Christian God is an entirely benevolent entity, why are certain lives doomed to suffering?Again, I don't see how it's totally benevolent to burn anyone for eternity because they don't agree with you, omnipotent or not. Attaching a morality to a God(dess) would be pointless, a God to me is more akin to a force, something that is eternally constant.
This is how God describes himself: "The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation."The better question is to ask why, if God is so just, why does he forgive iniquity? Because of his Son. That being said, I'll answer your question. Look how God describes himself. He is a complete dichotomy. He punishes iniquity, but he forgives iniquity. He punishes the wicked, yet he forgives the wicked. He is two-sided. He is loving, and forgiving, while at the same time punishing those who deserve it. He doesn't make sense, and why should he have to make sense to us? He's God, he doesn't have to follow your logic. God has a way of being completely forgiving, and completely just at the same time. - Quote:
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If God created everything, why did it have a book written about a sequence of somewhat irrelevant events and not important things we should know about the universe it created?
Lol the whole history of the world is God's plan. The whole Bible follows the story of Israel, God's chosen people, up until the savior of the whole world was born, killed, and raised again. You want to tell me that's insignificant? - Quote:
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Why are a large percentage of the "Evil" entities portrayed in the bible merely shown as having an opinion that goes against God's? Is that not the very definition of a dictatorship?
Because God is completely perfect, anything that goes against his order is innately evil. Call it what you want, but if you have a completely perfect being, who created you and made you to dwell and grow when only in his presence, and he is telling you what to do, why would you go against him? He created you and knows what is best for you, because after all he made you, and put the desire in you for Himself. - Quote:
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If Incest is seen as a sin, how did Adam + (Lilith--no) + Eve create humanity without involving incest? We very clearly do not come from the same single ancestor, so either incest was involved, in which case, are we willing to overlook the fact humanity's mere existence is a "sin", creating a huge paradox in everything.
There was incest, the only way I can describe it is that at this point in time, God did not consider it sin--because in order to populate the earth, it had to be done. If you want to call it a paradox, fine. But I see no problem in it. - Quote:
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To my understanding, before Lucifer was booted out of heaven, he challenged God for control. If God is omnipotent, why would Lucifer challenge him knowing this?
Why are you challenging God for control? Probably the same reason Satan did. 1. As expected of a book written in a time where cis white straight men were the only thing allowed to have rights, right? You do not suddenly snap out of being "Gay" because you received "enlightenment", if you think so, you know absolutely nothing about human sexuality. 2. It's a shame none of these people managed to actually provide meaningful evidence, right? 3. The fact you state that sex is between a husband and HIS wife is proving me right enough, like the woman is an object to the man. There are plenty of other examples. 4. The problem with this is that bible passages literally get a Christian out of any hole in their theories because God is a concept created to explain what people cannot. You haven't answered any of my questions yourself, you've just quoted the bible, as you've done with every other question on this topic. 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith Please read. 6. " why should he have to make sense to us? He's God, he doesn't have to follow your logic. God has a way of being completely forgiving, and completely just at the same time." Because that doesn't answer the question. It's essentially dodging the question because anything that points a whole in your theories can be answered with a backpedal to "He's god LOL" 7. I'm pretty sure Lucifer and Satan aren't the same entity. 8. If God knows "What's best for me" why does he attempt to forbid me pursuing it, that makes no sense.
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As expected of a book written in a time where cis white straight men were the only thing allowed to have rights, right?
Not sure why you mentioned race considering the bible was written from an Afrasian perspective by Semitic people.
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You haven't answered any of my questions yourself, you've just quoted the bible, as you've done with every other question on this topic.
Because the bible is the basis of our beliefs. If you want to ask us questions personally we have our own AMA's. This AMA is literally about the bible.
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I am going to be quoting LADYSYLVANAS in Blue, my answers in the normal font color.
1. As expected of a book written in a time where cis white straight men were the only thing allowed to have rights, right? You do not suddenly snap out of being "Gay" because you received "enlightenment", if you think so, you know absolutely nothing about human sexuality. I used to be gay. You're point is invalid. Here is my testimony (or story of how I became a Christian):
Spoiler: click to toggle I guess it pretty much starts as far back as I can remember, well not literally but close enough. Around elementary school I was taken advantage of, and raped by my best friend. At this time, he was in middle school, so he had a clue of what he made me do, while I did not. I grew up with this kid and I trusted him, I thought it was okay for us to do what we did. And this "grew" into a life style, it became normal for us. For several years he convinced me that it was okay for us to "practice" on eachother. But then I got to middle school, and we became more distant and I was without a "moral compass", so I decided that I was gay. During this time, my dad was constantly drunk, and I never saw him except when he'd come home after work several hours late because he had been cheating on my mom. I never really saw him as a father, or what most people would call a "father". He was physically and verbally abusive toward my mom, and some of that carried over to me. I remember several nights that I would yell at my parents to stop fighting, and my sister would be back in her room crying. During middle school, they got a divorced and I was happy. (All in all, my mom speculates that it was over 7 women he had affairs with) Anyway, back to middle school. I had no friends and was miserable. I was watching porn almost every day and I didn't want anything to do with God. In fact I flat out didn't believe. I decided I was also atheist, and this is mainly due to the fact that I believed I was gay. I couldn't understand why God would make people gay (though I don't believe that now) just to send them to hell. I hated God, and even the idea of god. Now I'm in high school. Freshman year, I was depressed and I always thought about killing myself. This was mainly due to me having no friends. I wondered how many people even knew me, or how many would cry. It was also due to the fact that I was gay. I felt hated by everyone at school (though I never really "came out" until later, I just knew they would hate me). Anyway, freshman year I was flat-out rude to Christians. I would go out my way to try and prove them wrong and honestly I called them idiots any chance I could get. I hated the way they talked, and how they had faith in "an invisible flying spaghetti monster". Even until now I didn't realize how jacked-up my life was, even with the young, forced, experience of sexual acts. Sophomore year I became even worse about it. In sophomore year I was just the same, but worse. I was "well-informed" atheist with a big mouth. But for some reason, this young lady named Erin wanted to be my friend. I had no clue why she wanted to be my friend so much: I owe my entire salvation to the work God did through Erin. She had a heart for God, and I knew she was different. At this time, I still hadn't told anyone I was gay, except for a few friends. Sooner or later, Erin and another young lady, Samantha started inviting me to their youth group. It took several weeks for me to finally give in, and I have no clue why I ever said yes in the first place, I chalk that up to God's insane grace. Anyways, it was around October in 2012 that I started going to youth group. I really just went to fit in, but God used it to prime me. During this time, God's word and my dead heart where fighting. I'd always look upon the youth pastor as if he was an idiot, but never said so. Anyway, in this time I also started going to the Morning Bible Study at BC, because being in band, it was right across the hall, and all my friends where in there. I still have no clue why I went other than God's grace. It was in December that same month that Blake Ferguson, now my bestest friend, invited all the Bible study to his church's youth lock-in. I figured it would be a great time, so I went; as did Erin and Samantha. Up to this point I had really been battling over the thought of God and fighting against his grace. Either way, this night I'd lose, and I'm so happy I did. It was like three in the morning and Blake, Erin, Samantha and I were laying out in the hallway talking when Samantha began to talk about doubts she had had over God's ability to work through her and her struggles. They were talking, while I just sat there absorbing the entire conversation. Then Blake brought out his Bible and shared Luke 8:28-33. "28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him and said with a loud voice, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me.” 29 For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. (For many a time it had seized him. He was kept under guard and bound with chains and shackles, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert.) 30 Jesus then asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” for many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. 32 Now a large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside, and they begged him to let them enter these. So he gave them permission. 33 Then the demons came out of the man and entered the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and drowned." Well at this time I was listening intently, and I saw Jesus for who he was, God. He had control over even the demons, and he was able to heal Lazarus. It is an amazing passage that speaks of Jesus' love. I was Lazarus, I had so many demons in my life and I was ready to be healed. That night I decided I wanted to be a follower. But I was a very shy kid and I didn't tell anyone except Erin a few days after. Even at that, my story doesn't end. I'm sorry, it's very long... But I wasn't discipled well at my old church, and I had no clue what baptism was or anything like that, I didn't know it was important to pray or read the Bible, so I went about 6 months in my sin and I continued to believe I was gay. This is when I came out, I told nearly everyone that I was gay and a Christian, and it was great. I got mostly positive feedback too. It shows you the broken world we live in. Anyway, I came out and I started to go to Sunday Church instead of just youth. I don't remember the exact length of time that passed between this and my break-down, but it was about 6 months. Well I had pretty much just been opening my Bible and highlighting randomly every night, because I didn't know better. Well one night I opened it up to the Corinthians passage about who will not inherit the kingdom of God. It says, "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." and I was devastated. My sin hit me square in the face. I faced my own broken heart and was appalled. I wasn't even sure that God even loved me, nor could I ever be saved because I had been a homosexual. I doubted God's saving power for me. I went to the person who helped me out of my pit the first time: Blake. I told him everything on my heart and he was caring and kind. He pointed me to the next verse that I had missed out on, "And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." And I wept for the whole night. My love for God deepened ten-fold. Including this, he sent me Lecrae's "will you take me as I am," and that helped even more. So though I am not out of my homosexual lust just yet, I am so much farther away from it then I was 3 years ago. I don't want that lifestyle anymore, it makes me sick. I love God, and I am amazed by his grace and goodness every time I go back and look over my testimony. God has blessed me tremendously, and I have been tested through many trials that I am still struggling with, but I'm still struggling. In that I am free, I am free of my sin, and I am free to struggle with it: though I still have problems seeing it as this way.
2. It's a shame none of these people managed to actually provide meaningful evidence, right? Look up Josephus, and how the Bible is translated--a common misconception is that we are going away from the original sources, but in fact, we are getting closer and closer to original sources. The resurrection is the most well documented event during it's time.
3. The fact you state that sex is between a husband and HIS wife is proving me right enough, like the woman is an object to the man. There are plenty of other examples. Semantics don't make an argument. I could have just as easily said a woman and her husband.
4. The problem with this is that bible passages literally get a Christian out of any hole in their theories because God is a concept created to explain what people cannot. You haven't answered any of my questions yourself, you've just quoted the bible, as you've done with every other question on this topic. why is it such a radical idea that a Christian would use the Bible to express what he believes? Is that not the definition of a Christian: One who follows the teachings of Christ and believes the Bible? Paul tells us in 2Timothy 3:16, that all of scripture is breathed out by God and is infallible. It is the literal word of God, and can never fail--it can not be inconsistent or disproven--because it is wholly truth. If I believe this, as I do, why would I not be more apt to use it than a wikipedia artcile?
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith Please read. This hasn't changed m mind on the stance I previously asserted.
6. " why should he have to make sense to us? He's God, he doesn't have to follow your logic. God has a way of being completely forgiving, and completely just at the same time." Because that doesn't answer the question. It's essentially dodging the question because anything that points a whole in your theories can be answered with a backpedal to "He's god LOL" It's not backpedaling. If God could be understood by mankind it would be a mark that mankind had made him up. Because he so mysterious I see vast credibility in the Biblical God. Is it mankind's innate desire to know everything. So why, in the last 3000 years that Judai-Christianity has existed, has man not formed a hypothesis on the nature of God? Because we can't--because he is real and has chosen not to tell us. If it were mankind's own imagination, would not we have made everything understandable instead of leaving it up to a mystery? You say Christianity is just a form of people trying to figure things out in the world--this is such a lie. Christianity complicates everything. There is more mystery in Christianity than any other belief, and we are willing to say we do not know, everyone else wants an explanation.
7. I'm pretty sure Lucifer and Satan aren't the same entity. I'm pretty sure they are.
8. If God knows "What's best for me" why does he attempt to forbid me pursuing it, that makes no sense.\ If you pursue him, he will pursue you. He isn't forbidding you from anything. I have no explanation as to how man's responsibility and God's sovereignty are connected, but they are. God chose who was going to be saved before the world started. But if you desire to be saved, then you were predestined to be saved--if you go through with your desire. Those who do not desire and will never desire to be in fellowship with their creator (though he's given them chances throughout their life) were predestined to be condemned.
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Does the Bible mention any animals that are bad omens and/or foreshadow sin?
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I used to be gay How long are you going to keep lying to yourself?
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I used to be gay
How long are you going to keep lying to yourself? I'm glad you know me better than I know myself. I know who I was, and who I am now, because of the redemption in Christ. Do not tell me who I am. My identity is only found in Christ. I worry all the time if I'm wasting my life with Christianity, then I remember the sacrifice made for me. Jesus died on the cross to free me from that sin. I can see know how depraved and depressed I was with the weight of homosexuality on my heart. It was horrible.
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What the actual fuck are you even saying
"My identity is only found in Christ' 'I can see know how depraved and depressed I was with the weight of homosexuality on my heart.' 'Jesus died on the cross to free me from that sin'
Holy shit none of this even makes sense This is literally like if you went and read The Magic School Bus and started worshiping Ms. Frizzle
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