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FINAL TRIBAL COUNCIL; Locke, Sayid, Charlie
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Charlie
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Ello Danielle.

Thank you for y'r question.

I really felt strongly about the BAMF alliance. It made strategical sense for quite some time both in part because of the numbers game but also because I truly trusted Locke and Sayid. I even trusted Sawyer's belief in the BAMFs.

That being said, I did think out of the box. Sorry, Desmond, but it is true. I was looking for an avenue to vote ye out. I had considered it instead of Shannon the week she went gaffe. I knew even though we had smashing conversations, and that I thought ye had my back, I knew ye were dangerous for me down the road. The fact of the matter is I tried to gauge this possibility but the numbers weren't there and the other chaps wanted to stick out the chaps alliance.

Also, I had out of the box approaches and plans to possibly vote Locke and Sayid out at Final 5 and Final 4. I was not sure fully whether I would pull the trigger as I didn't. But, I was definitely interested in the idea. Again, it came down to a numbers game and I didn't hae the votes to pull it orf. I was also unsure that it would really hae improved my positioning in the game. Sometimes yeh think the out of the box idea is sterling, but the grass is not always greener. And, I think I would hae been lying in an identical meadow in a different part of blighty.

Remember, Danielle, the back stage pass offer still holds up. Heck, yeh can join Drive Shaft on a whole world tour.

Cheers,
Charlie
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TAKE IT AWAY, JULIET.
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Before I begin, may I just say what a wonderful opportunity this has been ~thank you Brobst. I thoroughly have enjoyed the company with all of you. I've learned many things & hope I can take with me some of that knowledge to the next game.


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What a whirlwind for you...to be voted off from the final, only to be placed back on & given the opportunity to win this. Forgive me for calling you an Aussie! LOL I saw you as a player that was laid back and following everyone's lead. Willing to listen to to options, but ever willing to make decisions or big moves. You mentioned you were more of a player than you led on...if that's true ...QUESTION: If there was one thing you could do differently in your game, what would it be and WHY?(other than winning more immunities).


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An extremely quiet player...enjoyed our brief PM's....but never felt anything to lead me to believe you really wanted to work with me. Only question I have is why do you deserve my vote?


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You are quite the ring leader. Il mio amico e concorrente forte ... congratulazioni per fare fino a questo punto del gioco. (I really hope that came out properly, thank you google translator LOL) You are an amazing strategist....I truly look forward to reading your confessionals & seeing who you are in cast reveal. Game well played, my hat is off to you. QUESTION: Who was your best ally & why AND who was your biggest threat (competitor) and WHY?
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"An extremely quiet player...enjoyed our brief PM's....but never felt anything to lead me to believe you really wanted to work with me. Only question I have is why do you deserve my vote?"


Hey sexy Doc. I didn't want to work with you, I doubt I deserve your vote.
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Thanks for your thoughts Juliet. Before I answer your questions, I really would like you to know that I was serious at F11 about repaying you for that favor. However, whether it was something your real life (which is completely understandable) or not, we just never talked as much as I would have liked too. And when your name came up and Jame's wasn't around, I really couldn't stick my neck out there for you. But take pride in knowing you played a crucial part in the turning point of this game for everyone involved at the merge.

I think it is tough to say who my best ally was because I can honestly say I HAVE NO IDEA who I would have taken with me to a F2 between James and Sayid. I realized probably around F7 that it would be a F3 and from there didn't really need to think who was my main ally. I was with Sayid the entire game and James and I always had great conversation, both personally and strategically. I felt very comfortable with both of them for most of the game, even though I knew they were out in the Jungle having conversations with most everybody. But if push came to shove, I probably would have brough Sayid for the sole reason I was with him the entire way and towards the end of everything Sawyer was just too damn DRUK.

Flip a coin between Claire and Desmond as my biggest competition. Desmond put the hit on me that almost took me out pre-jury and he was honestly the one player the entire game who I had diffculty reading. There was just always something about him I couldn't put a finger on and he always left me uneasy. He was certainly a huge player in this game and I was fortunate he tried to make a move as early as he did, because he would have had a good chance of getting me if he had only waited. I knew from the beginning of the merge that Claire was a huge social threat. She was thoughtful in her responses and witty. She was online almost as much as I was. Hell, I wanted her to be the back-up for Hurley at F11 (before he won immunity) but I started to like her. And I continued to like her more and more every round until I was legitimately giving her too much information on my thought process. I finally came to my senses at F6 to cut her loose, but I really think she would have exploded the BAMF Alliance if we had let her slip through that round. She was really good at making everyone feel like they were very close with her.
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What a whirlwind for you...to be voted off from the final, only to be placed back on & given the opportunity to win this. Forgive me for calling you an Aussie! LOL I saw you as a player that was laid back and following everyone's lead. Willing to listen to to options, but ever willing to make decisions or big moves. You mentioned you were more of a player than you led on...if that's true ...QUESTION: If there was one thing you could do differently in your game, what would it be and WHY?(other than winning more immunities).

Ello, Juliet.

bleedin' mint question and it is also a bleedin' hard one. In my answer to Danielle's question I sort of covered this. My trust in the New Marhads waivered in the merge with Desmond-gate part 1. Desmond was a phenomanal player and an even crazier one as the game moved on. LOL.

I think if I could go back I would see if there was a way to keep Shannon around and remove Desmond at that stage of the game. Sorry, mate. I think that I would hae been able to build better relationships " outwith " of the BAMFs and my social game would hae improved. I think that for one thingamajig, yeh and I, would hae had a better relationship. I think about how Desmond-gate affected my trust in both yeh and Sawyer early in the merge, and I believe I would hae built a better relationship with yeh two. I would hae not just hung with the chaps, and I would hae created more options.

I don't know that the game would hae changed all that much as I truly did trust Locke and Sayid. We did hae a noice three partner group, but I may hae had the options available to consider new thinking.

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Charlie
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DESMOND IS UP.
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1. Sayid. I believe a survivor winner is defined by the moves they make in the game.
What was your biggest move and how did it help define the final 3?

2. Locke:
I drove you crazy during the game and I understand why you never trusted me after the merge... on the last day we had some great discussions... did you even consider changing your mind to keep me around?

3. Charlie... did you ever talk to anyone without using that friggin hard to read and understand accent? Also... What HUGE event helped put you on the road to the final 3?
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Desmond, we did have some fantastic discussions that last day, but I would have been an absolute fool to keep you around. And if I hadn't kept you around, I most certainly wouldn't be here. In those conversations and through your madness you really had a great idea of who was aligned with who. You'd also revealed yourself as someone who wouldn't want to ride a majority until the end (because of your love for underdogs right?) and you would have tried to blow up that alliance if we'd let you stick around as well.

I wish we had shared some discussions like that before your dying hours, but like I've said countless times, I was always just very skeptical of you, even pre-merge. At the time you went home I had good reason to believe I was Charlie's #1, I was Sayid's #1 and I was Jame's #1. There was no reason to keep you around, as smart and big a player as you were and could have been, and endanger what I had set up.
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Hey Desmond. What did one snowman say to the other snowman? That's it - snow more, Mr. Ice Guy!

My biggest move was voting against my ally Jack. I was on the fence about voting with Jack and forcing Locke out of the game or voting Jack out. That was a defining moment in the game because if Jack would have stayed I have no doubt in my mind that the final three would have been Jack, myself and Sawyer.

Now how that helps me now is another story brother!!

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haha, mate.

Yes! I did. I mostly didn't speak British when there was a time crunch right before or after a challenge. It is not an doddle challenge to maintain. Hopefully, whilst difficult to read at times, I will not be discriminated against for yakking differently. LOL. I hope people can appreciate the fun that is involved in enjoying their characters. I did the same.

The huge event that helped put me on the road to final 3. Unfortunately, I cannot completely give thou the answer that thou wanted. It possibly the way I merged into the New Marhad being the only person from my tribe. I was the lone Harmad and I was a valuable commodity. I was courted by thou and Sawyer, Locke and Sayid, and Shannon and Juliet. In the end, I went with the twosome who interacted with me the most and with the most genuine dialogue. Sometimes the biggest moves are creating relationships with those that thou can trust and moving forward. A major move in terms of a vote was voting out Jack. There was a heavy push to keep him in the game. I could sense his strong relationship with Sayid. Just fancy Sayid did not back down from the Claire vote, I was not going to back down from the Jack vote. I was going to make sure the BAMFs were the final for and that Jack, Locke and Sayid couldn't entertain a final 3 for their original tribe.

Even the week, thou went gaffe Locke had a tardy push to keep thou. Sayid and I were adamant about sending thou gaffe despite Locke's wishes. We pushed hard to see that thou went. whilst thou might not fancy the outcome it does go to show that I was not hiding behind Locke's every decision. I had opinions. I shared em. And, at the end of the day, we aired our collective thoughts and agreed in the end on the shared decision.

It was a wild ride, Desilou. Thanks for making it a fun one.

Cheers,
Charlie



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HURLEY IS NEXT.
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Congratulations to the final 3, it is not an easy task to make it there, well done.

On to the game.

Locke, I want to say, you did an awesome job, on fallen comrades, excellent stuff. You put alot of time and effort into the entire game, and its people like you, that make these games fun. You are a stand up guy and treated me with class the entire time, and you would be a worthy winner.
Now about the game, after a HUGE assist from Juliet on the Libby vote, it seemed you were in complete control of the game. Desmond and I tried and tried to get someone to make a move, but got stonewalled every time. It was like watching you lead sheep to the slaughter. My questions are, did you feel you were in complete control? And how in the world were you able to keep everybody in line? were you expecting anybody to flip, and did you take any measures to prevent it, or were you confident, that you had everything under wraps? good game.

To Sayid and Charlie, to me both of you are prototypical coattail riders. Based on my own experience with you, and from any information I got from almost every juror is that you were both riding Lockes Coattails.
You both made little or no effort to communicate with me. don't you think part of winning is at least trying to make some type of connection with all the players? Locke told me in no uncertain terms, that he would not even consider forming an alliance with me, and I was going home soon. yet we still talked about the game, and in general.
My questions for both of you are, Why no effort to talk with me ? And is there any move or anything else you did, that would make me want to vote for you? Charlie in your 'final words' you mentioned you 'thought' about strategy alot. Well I think about alot of things, it doesnt mean its reality. Did any of these thoughts come to fruition?

I again congratulate all three of you. And thanks to the rest of the jury, and those watching from Ponderosa(Hi Libby! :wub: ) for making this a fun and memorable experience, I cant wait to meet all the real people. It was fun. See you all on the flipside.

-Hurley
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I appreciate you Hugo. I was always genuine and sincere with you and we could have been really a dangerous duo if fate had worked out differently. I understand a crucial part of this game, maybe even the biggest, is just being active. Yes, it puts a target on your back, as it did mine, but if done correctly, it can make people want to work with you. I stronlgy believe people will want to, for the most part, be with players who offer opinions, talk strategy, are quick and engaging with their responses. Even when I knew I would never align with you, I understood you as a player on the board and I never wanted to have an active enemy in the game. I always wanted to keep my relationships in good terms because you never know what can happen.

Now to your question. Like I said before somewhere, I am not sure I ever let myself think I was in complete control. But I did start getting very, very confident right after you left. I knew Desmond was a wild card, but he was a loner. As I said, I felt like Charlie and Sayid and James were all considering me their top ally. I knew Jack was searching other options but I also had been in good spirits with him at the beginning of the game and I figured he would assume he was closer with maybe Sayid or James than I was and that he could make a move down the line, where he ultimately didn't. Juliet gave me that big assist, but I was a big part of that. If I don't get in good graces with James or if I ignore Juliet after we blindsided her with the Shannon vote, I'd be gone long ago. I really had to work hard, and with little time to do so, to get her to vote with me that round. I knew after that I didn't need to worry about her for a while because I had James watching her and also if she was going to take me out she would have done it there. I also was always frank with Claire and we had some great discussions and although I knew she was probably messaging everyone, I feel like we had some genuine moments.

So after you and Desmond go, the board looks like this: 7 people, 3 of which I think all consider me their closest allies (and the game has proven this true) and to do anything against me one of those 3 would have to flip and the odds of that happening were very slim because I kept up tabs on everyone even if they weren't in my final alliance plans. This was my defense against flipping, I was just always on top of everybody. I always had PMs flying everywhere to try and create for me the very best picture possible of where everyone's heads were at.

And one thing I think was really important is that I was never directing people how to vote. I never said "We're doing this..." I always asked opinions, I always sought other perspectives and went out of my way to try and make everyone feel like they were an equal part ally with myself, like their input mattered. I don't believe you can win this game as a dictator, and I never was one.

So the Cliff Notes version is that I did feel comfortable but I never let myself let my guard down. It was a good old fashioned case of being proactive and thorough with my messages to, as you saw, everybody, even if they were in my plans or not.
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Hurley,

Based on the tone of yer question I highly doubt I will ever earn yer vote. Sayid and I did not ride coattails. I guess perhaps yakking to every play makes it seem fancy yeh are the only one enacting strategy but that is not the case. I'm sorry yeh felt put out by me not yakking with yeh. yeh were of sterling threat to me with yer success in challenges. I was not going to maintain a fake relationship that I could not uphold. Each of us has different personal lives, and I made the most out of the social relationships that I could entertain. Some of us would never give more than just a one liner and write every one that way. I suppose I could hae done the same with yeh. However, it made more sense to my game to write detailed messages of substance with those who I needed to help me along in this game. Unfortunately, yeh became a casualty of this. All I can dae is apologise and hope yeh can see it is not personal.

I was thoughtful. It started before I was even placed into Harmad. I was ready to go into this game gung ho. I saw quickly I would hae to change my approach. I saw quickly that players fancy Libby were ones that I would need to watch out for. I knew that she was better to be out of this game sooner than later. And, I pushed for that in the merge. I tried to make clear that she was not one I was close to and that she is not trustworthy. Her voting Kate made that bleedin' obvious to me. We had choices in the merge and speaking my voice and opinion about what to dae what key in group discussions. If thou are not being privy to those discussions does not mean that they were not happening.

I did push for Desmond's ousting. That definitely came true. I pushed for Juliet's ousting because I could not trust her. That came true. I pushed for Jack's ousting after he made it clear he was not interested in flipping the game on its head. I could tell he did not trust Claire. He had a bigger relationship with Locke and Sayid than I wanted. I needed to make sure that he went gaffe.

Again, there were many individual and group conversations about what to dae each week. We each had our own opinions and often different. We fought to get our idea on the table and be the one our group chose. So, I did hae strategy. I was an integral part in many of the decisions that were made. I hope yeh can at least respect that even if yeh don't vote for me.

Cheers,
Charlie



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